How often do you encounter juvenile common carp?
I was at a fish kill the other day and saw dead adult carp but no juveniles
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Posted 15 August 2010 - 08:42 PM
There is one spot on the Thames where I catch them all the the time, but otherwise I usually only see large ones.
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Posted 02 September 2010 - 04:28 PM
Where do you find carp in the 7-10 inch class?
Was at a fish kill at a pond a few weeks ago and saw dead adult carp but no juvenile dead carp. Lots of dead sunfish and bass and adult carp.
No small carp.
Was at a fish kill at a pond a few weeks ago and saw dead adult carp but no juvenile dead carp. Lots of dead sunfish and bass and adult carp.
No small carp.
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Posted 02 September 2010 - 05:13 PM
In 25 years of stream seining in NC, Ive never seen carp smaller than 12". So here's a few hypotheses:
1) Very very few juveniles survive, but the few that make it to 12" live forever.
2) They are secretly catadromous in NC, spawn and grow in the sea, and don't enter NC rivers until 12" long.
3) They wear wizarding invisibility cloaks until 12" long.
4) Juvenile wild-type carp are insecure and self-absorbed, deathly afraid their peers will call them "sissy koi", so they take extreme measures to avoid being seen anywhere near humans.
If you've got better theories, let's hear 'em.
1) Very very few juveniles survive, but the few that make it to 12" live forever.
2) They are secretly catadromous in NC, spawn and grow in the sea, and don't enter NC rivers until 12" long.
3) They wear wizarding invisibility cloaks until 12" long.
4) Juvenile wild-type carp are insecure and self-absorbed, deathly afraid their peers will call them "sissy koi", so they take extreme measures to avoid being seen anywhere near humans.
If you've got better theories, let's hear 'em.
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Posted 02 September 2010 - 06:58 PM
FUNNY!In 25 years of stream seining in NC, Ive never seen carp smaller than 12". So here's a few hypotheses:
1) Very very few juveniles survive, but the few that make it to 12" live forever.
2) They are secretly catadromous in NC, spawn and grow in the sea, and don't enter NC rivers until 12" long.
3) They wear wizarding invisibility cloaks until 12" long.
4) Juvenile wild-type carp are insecure and self-absorbed, deathly afraid their peers will call them "sissy koi", so they take extreme measures to avoid being seen anywhere near humans.
If you've got better theories, let's hear 'em.
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Posted 03 September 2010 - 07:26 AM
If you've got better theories, let's hear 'em.
Juvenile carp don't look like adult carp... they look like green sunfish... which as we all know are everywhere and represent 80-90 percent of all fish identifications. The morphological transition from juvenile (green sunfish looking) to adult (carp looking) is also the source of all of this nonsense about hybrids.
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Posted 03 September 2010 - 07:37 AM
I catch plenty of juvenile carp (1-5") in weedy back bays of reservoirs and swamps, using minnow traps set out overnight.
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Posted 03 September 2010 - 07:47 AM
Juvenile carp don't look like adult carp... they look like green sunfish... which as we all know are everywhere and represent 80-90 percent of all fish identifications. The morphological transition from juvenile (green sunfish looking) to adult (carp looking) is also the source of all of this nonsense about hybrids.
Michael, I think you're on to something here... makes plenty of sense and explains a lot!
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Posted 03 September 2010 - 07:57 AM
I catch plenty of juvenile carp (1-5") in weedy back bays of reservoirs and swamps, using minnow traps set out overnight.
I wasn't going to say anything until Nathan posted this....I also find them over deep silt, vegetation in back water of rivers.
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Posted 03 September 2010 - 09:06 AM
Ahh ... mucky bottoms, like bowfin and crappie habitat. Places we don't often and can't easily pull a seine. I would have guessed little carp might school together with juvie redhorse, jumprocks, spotted suckers, which I see plenty of in non-mucky wadable parts of rivers.
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Posted 03 September 2010 - 10:22 AM
Then why is it when I fish such weedy areas I never catch any?
Don't like carp
Don't like carp
Edited by Gambusia, 03 September 2010 - 10:25 AM.
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Posted 03 September 2010 - 10:47 AM
You might be lucky enough Gambusia, to not have many carp in the area. Perhaps they are choosing different locations to spawn?
Yes Gerald, bowfin and crappie are often found in the places I find very young carp.
Yes Gerald, bowfin and crappie are often found in the places I find very young carp.
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Posted 03 September 2010 - 06:45 PM
i can ruin that theory, theres carp here (and plenty of them depending on where you look), yet no green sunfish. sorryJuvenile carp don't look like adult carp... they look like green sunfish... which as we all know are everywhere and represent 80-90 percent of all fish identifications. The morphological transition from juvenile (green sunfish looking) to adult (carp looking) is also the source of all of this nonsense about hybrids.
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Posted 11 September 2010 - 03:10 PM
Juvenile carp don't look like adult carp... they look like green sunfish... which as we all know are everywhere and represent 80-90 percent of all fish identifications. The morphological transition from juvenile (green sunfish looking) to adult (carp looking) is also the source of all of this nonsense about hybrids.
I assumed carp spawn in home aquariums and spend their early years in glass walls before making a long and perilous migration to the wild. That migration starts with them floating belly up and playing dead, and once flushed to the sewers they migrate out to the main waterways. How else can you explain this?
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Posted 11 September 2010 - 07:44 PM
I saw that too, and wonder if it's photoshopped. Look at the fingers by the anal fin. They don't look quite right to me.
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Posted 14 December 2010 - 10:34 PM
I caught a juvenile carp in a group of shiners.
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Posted 22 December 2010 - 12:12 AM
Definitely photo-shopped. For a lot of reasons.
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Posted 22 December 2010 - 04:43 AM
In 25 years of stream seining in NC, Ive never seen carp smaller than 12". So here's a few hypotheses:
1) Very very few juveniles survive, but the few that make it to 12" live forever.
2) They are secretly catadromous in NC, spawn and grow in the sea, and don't enter NC rivers until 12" long.
3) They wear wizarding invisibility cloaks until 12" long.
4) Juvenile wild-type carp are insecure and self-absorbed, deathly afraid their peers will call them "sissy koi", so they take extreme measures to avoid being seen anywhere near humans.
If you've got better theories, let's hear 'em.
I haven't laughed that hard in a while!!! Thanks, Gerald!!
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Posted 22 December 2010 - 01:14 PM
I haven't laughed that hard in a while!!! Thanks, Gerald!!
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I tend to get juvinal goldfish and carp(tend to have visible barbles at mouth edge unless mixed parentage) when netting banded killifish,dace,bullheads and juvinile sunnies in a lot of the ponds near me. kinda suburban/urban so water not usualy clean enough for much else.Not to mention years of carp and goldfish being dumped in them by carless bowl and ex-fish pond owners.
They are almost always a copper green to brown color somtimes black/bronze, some will loose this juvinile camafaulage coloration as they age, depending on genetic heratige.this can somtimes range from orange to calico and even white /red.
the more generations spent in natural pond the more likly to retain this color to adulthood do to brighter fish usualy being removed from breeding pool by predators at an early age.
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Posted 29 April 2011 - 09:48 AM
In 25 years of stream seining in NC, Ive never seen carp smaller than 12". So here's a few hypotheses:
1) Very very few juveniles survive, but the few that make it to 12" live forever.
2) They are secretly catadromous in NC, spawn and grow in the sea, and don't enter NC rivers until 12" long.
3) They wear wizarding invisibility cloaks until 12" long.
4) Juvenile wild-type carp are insecure and self-absorbed, deathly afraid their peers will call them "sissy koi", so they take extreme measures to avoid being seen anywhere near humans.
If you've got better theories, let's hear 'em.
I had a friend that worked on a historic plantation on the Lower James River(Flowerdew Hundred) in a slightly brackish area. Anyway, they had ponds that were connected to the main rivers that in the summer would fill up with many juvenile common carp, between "3 and "10, we would also find them in a small tributary. I severely doubt that they are diadromous as they have been studied here, Europe and they're native far east for thousands of years and I don't think that would slip through the cracks.
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