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Posted 10 March 2011 - 01:00 PM

I want to set up a darter 10 gallon darter tank (I will get a 20 long at the next $1 a gallon sale) but I have a few questions.

1) First of all, would a sponge filter and a powerhead work for this tank? If so, does anyone know of a powerhead that would work?

2) I have 2 terra cotta pots disguised with rocks and I also have a mopani branch in the tank for cover. Would this be adequete?

3) And finally, how should I stock it? It's meant to be more of a show tank, so could it be just males? Could I have a pair of males and also some mid-top water fish?

Thank you in advance!

#2 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 01:56 PM

I want to set up a darter 10 gallon darter tank (I will get a 20 long at the next $1 a gallon sale) but I have a few questions.

1) First of all, would a sponge filter and a powerhead work for this tank? If so, does anyone know of a powerhead that would work?

2) I have 2 terra cotta pots disguised with rocks and I also have a mopani branch in the tank for cover. Would this be adequete?

3) And finally, how should I stock it? It's meant to be more of a show tank, so could it be just males? Could I have a pair of males and also some mid-top water fish?

Thank you in advance!


1. Yes, a sponge and powehead would work... and I have used a number of them... looks for somethign with the least wattages used for teh flow you want... wattage is energy which means heat going into teh water... something you dont want in the summer time...
2. Yes, your decorations will be fine... flattish rocks are also nice... nice to sit on... nice to hide under... even plants are OK... your darters may perch on a leaf, or hide next to teh base of the plant...
3. yes, it could be just males and yes, you could have some topminnows... I like F. chrysotus or F. cingulatus for color... but whatever you can find in your area would be good... and in a bigger tank...like a 20... you could have a handful of shiners instead... I like N. lutipinnis...
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Posted 10 March 2011 - 03:34 PM

1. Yes, a sponge and powehead would work... and I have used a number of them... looks for somethign with the least wattages used for teh flow you want... wattage is energy which means heat going into teh water... something you dont want in the summer time...
2. Yes, your decorations will be fine... flattish rocks are also nice... nice to sit on... nice to hide under... even plants are OK... your darters may perch on a leaf, or hide next to teh base of the plant...
3. yes, it could be just males and yes, you could have some topminnows... I like F. chrysotus or F. cingulatus for color... but whatever you can find in your area would be good... and in a bigger tank...like a 20... you could have a handful of shiners instead... I like N. lutipinnis...

Thanks for the advice! The Topminnows are few and far between around here. One species is actually severely endangered. Do you know of any other fish that would do well with Rainbows in a small habitat? Would Mudminnows work?

#4 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 04:53 PM

Thanks for the advice! The Topminnows are few and far between around here. One species is actually severely endangered. Do you know of any other fish that would do well with Rainbows in a small habitat? Would Mudminnows work?

maybe, but I am not a big mudminnow fan yet... I have seen some that get too big... and I think their habitat is more sluggish water isnt it??? I think shiners and chubs are under appreciated... oh, I just thought of another one that I like... blacknose dace are nice... hardy, (althought they are known jumpers... and not too many fish are hardy after laying on the carpet for a while) and a typical stream inhaditant that you might actually see over some darters while you are out there snorkeling... my first choice would be a shiner... if you want to get fancy you could even go with rainbow shiners over rainbow darters...??? how bout that???
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Posted 10 March 2011 - 05:25 PM

maybe, but I am not a big mudminnow fan yet... I have seen some that get too big... and I think their habitat is more sluggish water isnt it??? I think shiners and chubs are under appreciated... oh, I just thought of another one that I like... blacknose dace are nice... hardy, (althought they are known jumpers... and not too many fish are hardy after laying on the carpet for a while) and a typical stream inhaditant that you might actually see over some darters while you are out there snorkeling... my first choice would be a shiner... if you want to get fancy you could even go with rainbow shiners over rainbow darters...??? how bout that???

I have Blacknose Dace in my area, but I don't have rainbow shiners. I don't think I'll be able to collect for a while considering we still have a foot of snow on the ground, so I was thinking about ordering a pair of males from Brian Zimmerman. Since I wouldn't be collecting for this tank I suppose I could have some non-MN natives, but I would like to stick to MN natives.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 05:29 PM

Also, you really think a few Shiners would work in a 10 gallon? All of the Shiners I've seen have been pretty big and very active, not a good combo for such a small tank.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 06:48 PM

I have Blacknose Dace in my area, but I don't have rainbow shiners. I don't think I'll be able to collect for a while considering we still have a foot of snow on the ground, so I was thinking about ordering a pair of males from Brian Zimmerman. Since I wouldn't be collecting for this tank I suppose I could have some non-MN natives, but I would like to stick to MN natives.

When I said pair of males I meant pair of male Rainbow Darters.

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 12:51 AM

Chrosomus (formerly Phoxinus) dace are another good choice. I believe you have northern and southern redbelly dace and finescale dace in MN. These fish have similar habitat preferences to rainbow darters, adapt to captivity well, are small, and at least in my experience are less determined jumpers than blacknoses (though almost any fish is a potential jumper).

#9 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 07:23 AM

Also, you really think a few Shiners would work in a 10 gallon? All of the Shiners I've seen have been pretty big and very active, not a good combo for such a small tank.

Sure, I do... but I guess I should be careful about the word 'shiner'... obviously, things like Cyprinella shiners get large and are very active... and there are others that probably would not be appropriate... I was thinking specifically of something like yellowfin shiners which are more of a 3-4 inch fish and in my experience adapt well to tank like... not sure if there is a MN comparable species...

But I also agree with Newt... if you have RBD in your area, these would be a classic combination stream fish that lives with darters...
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Posted 11 March 2011 - 08:42 AM

Sure, I do... but I guess I should be careful about the word 'shiner'... obviously, things like Cyprinella shiners get large and are very active... and there are others that probably would not be appropriate... I was thinking specifically of something like yellowfin shiners which are more of a 3-4 inch fish and in my experience adapt well to tank like... not sure if there is a MN comparable species...

But I also agree with Newt... if you have RBD in your area, these would be a classic combination stream fish that lives with darters...

what about pearl dace S Margarita would they work for him? they should be fairly common to most areas.
but i think they get up to 4"



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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:05 AM

Thanks so much for all of the insight! I think I will stock with two male Rainbow Darters and ( ) Southern Redbelly Dace. I have two questions on the dace though.

1) Is the coloring gender specific?

2) How many do you thnk could be comfortably stocked in a 10 gallon?

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:28 AM

Both male and female redbelly dace get some color but males do have more. I would say in the range or 4-6 dace is suitable with 2-4 darters.

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 05:07 PM

Both male and female redbelly dace get some color but males do have more. I would say in the range or 4-6 dace is suitable with 2-4 darters.

Thank you! If the weather isn't nice by the time my tank gets done cycling I'll be buying some of your beutiful fish!




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