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Posted 16 March 2011 - 04:33 AM

Has any one been able to breed Pteronotropis Welaka in large enough numbers to save from endangered status or at least arking them for the future?

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Posted 16 March 2011 - 03:48 PM

Philip K & BG Grainier...
But never in enough quanities to do as you wish.
They have learned a lot about the breeding and behavior of these fish which could be passed on to those with more resources such as CFI.
Philip spoke on them during the FL convention, a very informative and enthusiastic lecture.
I was much impressed. He has an article ready for publication, and may do so in the future.

This is one spectacular fish. I have had the privalage of snorkeling with them a few times, and even watching the males spin and spar. Pretty cool.

A very narrow range and only a few sites known to NANFA members.

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 04:44 AM

Casper thanks for the info. However I haven't heard of Philip K or BG Grainier. How do I contact them? I would like to find out more info on breeding the Bluenose shiner.

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 11:01 AM

BG is no longer active but wrote articles for past American Currents, you may could glean information from them. CD's are available of all past AC issues.

Philip K is an active member, just returning from a robust collecting trip, and is often active on this forum... i would expect him and a few others to offer some input to you, soon.

I see you are a member and thus get American Currents. I hope Phil will soon re-present his Blue Nose report to the new AC editor for publication. He has had a lot of successful experience with this species and as few others have.

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Posted 31 March 2011 - 11:40 PM

I have not tried to breed them, I merely observe them where they occur. They are very habitat specific. I know of two very reliable site that have been destroyed - one by human action, one by nature. One site where I have found juveniles where they have not been collected since the 1950's. Other sites that are not reliable but you may get lucky. Mysteryman is another fellow from whom you may glean insight - he is in Alabama. Here in MS P. welaka is special concern - not T&E. All things considered, BG Granier is the man to ask. The best way to contact him is shinerscoop@cox.net.

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Posted 07 May 2011 - 09:13 PM

I'm still around, in case anyone noticed I've been scarce. My home computer has some glitch in it that keeps me from posting in forums. On other machines like this one, though, I have no problem.

Anyway, I managed to get them to spawn in a tank once, but Phil is the only one who can consistently crank them out with his outdoor pool method. Output is still limited, though, so producing enough to 'save' them would still take a large scale effort.

Personally, I have no moral problem with using hormones to mass-farm them now that we've finally learned the natural ways, but not many agree with me. That would certainly produce enough fish to get the job done with much less expenditure of space, but for now I guess I don't see any pressing need for such production. The habitats which were destroyed should be fixed if possible first, I'd think, and then we could work toward restocking them.

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Posted 08 May 2011 - 09:05 PM

Trey, good to have you back. I was wondering about your absence...

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 10:07 PM

Philip Kukulski found 12 fry of Pteronotropis welaka, Bluenose Shiner in his middle pond June 24, 2013.
That makes 16 spawns of Welaka in six years.
Phil K Welaka Fry (2)


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 10:58 PM

Outdoors. The great outdoors is magic!



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