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Help with this minnow

Started by Guest_Mat_* , Feb 05 2007 01:11 PM

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#1 Guest_Mat_*

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 01:11 PM

Hi!

Here is a picture of a minnow that I found while snorkeling. It was found in a lake in the Upper Laurentians (Québec). I was told that it could be a Notropis heterolepis or a Pimephales notatus. Is someone able to identify this fish? Thanks,

Mathieu

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#2 Guest_fundulus_*

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 02:08 PM

Hi!

Here is a picture of a minnow that I found while snorkeling. It was found in a lake in the Upper Laurentians (Québec). I was told that it could be a Notropis heterolepis or a Pimephales notatus. Is someone able to identify this fish? Thanks,

Mathieu

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I vote for notatus.

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#3 Guest_Brooklamprey_*

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 03:33 PM

I think I'd throw out Mimic shiner Notropis volucellus as a maybe
It does not look quite right for a Pimephales in my opinion, particularly in the dorsal fin.
definitely not a N. heterolepis

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#4 Guest_fundulus_*

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 04:23 PM

I think I'd throw out Mimic shiner Notropis volucellus as a maybe
It does not look quite right for a Pimephales in my opinion, particularly in the dorsal fin.
definitely not a N. heterolepis

Check the spot at the base of the tail, that's classic notatus. With a better view of the dorsal we'd hopefully see an anterior black spot, too, but no such luck here.

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#5 Guest_smbass_*

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 04:25 PM

I'm not familiar with what should be in your area but I too don't think it is a P. notatus, maybe you could give us some kind of a species list for your area that would help us narrow it down to some possibilites at least.

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#6 Guest_smbass_*

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 04:31 PM

the dorsal fin is not the correct shape for P. notatus it looks rather angular and pointed where P. notatus are rounded. Here is a picture of one, not the greatest but it illustrates my point.

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#7 Guest_Mat_*

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 05:13 PM

I don’t have any regional list but I have this provincial list of Cyprinidae (I don’t know if all the taxonomic names are still accurate):

Couesius plumbeus
Exoglossum maxillingua
Hybognathus hankinsoni
Hybognathus regius
Notemigonus crysoleucas
Notropis atherinoides
Notropris bifrenatus
Notropris cornutus
Notropris heterodon
Notropris heterolepis
Notropris hudsonius
Notropris rubellus
Notropris spilopterus
Notropis stramineus
Notopris volucellus
Phoxinus eos
Phoxinus neogalus
Pimephales notatus
Pimephales promelas
Rhinichthys atratulus
Rhinichthys cataractae
Semotilus atromaculatus
Semotilus corporalis
Semotilus margarita

Mathieu

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#8 Guest_Mat_*

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 05:26 PM

I thought I had only one picture but I looked back into my files and found two others. They’re not quite good but maybe they will show additional characteristics that will help for the ID. Thanks again for your help,
Mathieu

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minnow_dorsal.jpg 43.15KB 3 downloads

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#9 Guest_smbass_*

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 05:34 PM

Couesius plumbeus Lake Chub
Hybognathus hankinsoni Brassy Minnow
Hybognathus regius Eastern Silvery Minnow
Notropris bifrenatus Bridle Shiner
Notropris heterodon Blackchin Shiner
Notropris heterolepis Blacknose Shiner
Notropris hudsonius Spottail Shiner
Notropis stramineus Sand Shiner
Notopris volucellus Mimic Shiner
Semotilus margarita Pearl dace not sure that the scientific name is correct on this one though, I think their genus is different now.

Ok I took out what I am familiar with and or don't think it is. Many of the fish remaining on this list I have never seen in person and have no idea what they look like and they may also be quickly eliminated by someone else or maybe even yourself if you have seen them or you are more familiar with them.

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#10 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 05:51 PM

Another photo of notatus.

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#11 Guest_teleost_*

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 06:00 PM

I've raised a few striped shiners from very young. When I first saw the photo it reminded me of my little guys.

I'll guess Luxilus cornutus common shiner. I know it simply isn't a good fit but my little guys honestly don't resemble the adults much.

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#12 Guest_farmertodd_*

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 06:02 PM

Hybognathus regius Eastern Silvery Minnow

I'd follow up on these guys. http://fish.dnr.corn...ery_minnow.html

I've never seen one, but it appears to have everything in the right places.

Todd

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#13 Guest_smbass_*

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 06:07 PM

Couesius plumbeus Lake Chub to 9"
Hybognathus hankinsoni Brassy Minnow 3.75
Notropis bifrenatus Bridle Shiner 2.75
Notropis heterodon Blackchin Shiner 2.75
Notropis heterolepis Blacknose Shiner 3.75
Semotilus margarita Pearl dace 6.5

I made a quick look at a few of these species and I think I can narrow it down a bit further. Also the lake chub and pearl dace both have a bit of redish color on them but I beleive that is probably breeding coloration and likely males so I hesitate to remove them from the list because I am unfamiliar with them and don't know if that color is present year round. How big is this fish aprox? This could eliminate a few more because if it is too big for the smaller species above then you could eliminate those, if it was very small less than 3" then that won't help much because it could be a jv of the larger species. I got the lengths from petersons.

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#14 Guest_Mat_*

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 06:30 PM

It was approximately 4 inches long, about the same size as it appears on the first picture.

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#15 Guest_farmertodd_*

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 06:42 PM

Scales are too big for Semotilus or Couesius.

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#16 Guest_Irate Mormon_*

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 08:20 PM

This fish has the smaller and more crowded scales on the nape which is typical of Pimephales, plus in the Gestalt it looks like Pimephales. My .02

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#17 Guest_fundulus_*

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 08:46 PM

This fish has the smaller and more crowded scales on the nape which is typical of Pimephales, plus in the Gestalt it looks like Pimephales. My .02

Yeah, you be right on that observation about nape scales. No evidence that it's a hybrid, either...

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#18 Guest_Brooklamprey_*

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 09:26 PM

I think you guys may just be right:
This is from The UMMZ collection Link to original is below.
UMMZ bluntnose minnow

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#19 Guest_keepnatives_*

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 11:18 PM

I can definately eliminate Pearl dace they are much more cigar shaped. I'm quite sure its not Pimephales of any kind and especially not notatus. I've caught and kept many of these in many areas. That picture from the UMMZ is not a Pimephales either.