New Cichlid in Alabama
#1 Guest_itsme_*
Posted 14 December 2011 - 03:56 PM
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From: NAS_Alerts@usgs.gov
Date: 14 Dec 2011 12:21:56 -0500
Subject: NAS Species Alert - Cichlasoma nigrofasciatum (AL)
An alert has been generated that matched your criteria from the <http://nas.er.usgs.g...v>Nonindigenous Aquatic Species database:
Cichlasoma nigrofasciatum (convict cichlid) was found in a new State, County, Drainage,
Details:
State: AL
County: Bibb
Drainage: Cahaba (3150202)
Location: Little Schultz Creek, at Schultz Creek Baptist Church.
More information on this specimen can be found:
<Specimen Info>http://nas.er.usgs.g...ecimenID=280176
More information on this species can be found:
<http://nas.er.usgs.g...p?SpeciesID=447
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Sounds like a a good excuse for some intensive exotic collecting in Little Schultz Creek. Clean those buggers out!
#2 Guest_Usil_*
Posted 14 December 2011 - 04:52 PM
Usil
#3 Guest_countrybumpkin_*
Posted 14 December 2011 - 04:58 PM
#4 Guest_fundulus_*
Posted 14 December 2011 - 05:05 PM
#5 Guest_Usil_*
Posted 14 December 2011 - 05:12 PM
Usil
#6 Guest_Usil_*
Posted 14 December 2011 - 05:24 PM
Anyone live there?
Usil
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#7 Guest_fundulus_*
Posted 14 December 2011 - 05:30 PM
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Posted 14 December 2011 - 09:21 PM
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Posted 15 December 2011 - 07:48 AM
#10 Guest_fundulus_*
Posted 15 December 2011 - 08:29 AM
#11 Guest_Dustin_*
Posted 15 December 2011 - 09:22 AM
#12 Guest_NVCichlids_*
Posted 15 December 2011 - 09:42 AM
I hope they don't populate our waters because there are enough issues out there with other invasives..
#13 Guest_mneilson_*
Posted 15 December 2011 - 02:44 PM
If anyone samples in Little Schultz Creek and finds more Cichlasoma, please let us know by submitting a report at http://nas.er.usgs.g...tingReport.aspx (note: pictures are welcome, and encouraged).
#14 Guest_Aquaman_*
Posted 16 December 2011 - 09:13 PM
I know people are really worried about the convicts becoming established, but why aren't more people worried about the Gymnogeophagus? They come from waters extremely similar to ours, and a friend of mine kept some in his 800 gallon out door pond all winter here in Wisconsin (had a fountain in the middle to keep the ice from covering) but they survived and are doing great. Personally, being from WI I am not worried about convict cichlids, but seeing what my friends Gymnogeophagus did, I am about them..
I hope they don't populate our waters because there are enough issues out there with other invasives..
I have some personal experience with Gymnogeophagus. Based on my experience, they don't do well with competition. Also, they are generally peaceful fish which are often shy and timid. The ecosystem that they come from is perfect for them since they occupy a very specific niche with the other fish. I think there would be too many competitors for food habitat space, etc.
Scott
#15 Guest_NVCichlids_*
Posted 17 December 2011 - 10:08 AM
I have some personal experience with Gymnogeophagus. Based on my experience, they don't do well with competition. Also, they are generally peaceful fish which are often shy and timid. The ecosystem that they come from is perfect for them since they occupy a very specific niche with the other fish. I think there would be too many competitors for food habitat space, etc.
Scott
I would agree with most of what you are saying, except that they don't compete well. I kept several species a few years back with some tetra and danio species along with some Pimelodidae sp catfish and they actually out competed the catfish and would still get the majority of the food from the tetras and danios. I would assume that in our riverways, that the danios/tetras would equate to the shiners/minnow sp and i would say bullhead/madtoms would be our closest to the catfish.
I do agree that they are extremely peaceful when given enough food !
#16 Guest_Mysteryman_*
Posted 17 December 2011 - 11:00 AM
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Posted 17 December 2011 - 03:29 PM
Aw, nuts. Of all the places in the country to get invaded by something like this, we REALLY didn't need it to be THAT place. ( a very special place indeed for reasons I won't discuss, but many of you already know ) This is bad. Very bad. I doubt they could survive a winter, but some of us Alabamians should maybe try to DO something about this.
You want to try to organize a NANFA 'go seine like crazy day'? I'll bet some of the Georgia folks over here would come help... its not that far from Atlanta to Birmingham...???
#18 Guest_VicC_*
Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:32 AM
As I'm the one who entered this into the NAS database, here's a little background. These fish were collected by a UAlabama grad student back in September (3 total collected, with a dozen more observed in the creek). These fish were not seen when the site had been previously sampled in July, so it seems likely that someone dumped the contents of their cichlid tank at some point between July-September.
If anyone samples in Little Schultz Creek and finds more Cichlasoma, please let us know by submitting a report at http://nas.er.usgs.g...tingReport.aspx (note: pictures are welcome, and encouraged).
Yeh, I didn't see any there in June.
Check the lake upstream too. You would have to get permission from the people
at the next driveway heading north
going west from the church.
#19 Guest_Irate Mormon_*
Posted 13 January 2012 - 12:19 AM
Aw, nuts. Of all the places in the country to get invaded by something like this, we REALLY didn't need it to be THAT place. ( a very special place indeed for reasons I won't discuss, but many of you already know ) This is bad. Very bad. I doubt they could survive a winter, but some of us Alabamians should maybe try to DO something about this.
Yeah, I know. This is most annoying.
#20 Guest_tricolor_*
Posted 31 May 2012 - 02:20 PM
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