Sure-Life Products
#1 Guest_jblaylock_*
Posted 11 January 2012 - 11:07 AM
I saw some Shad Keeper @ Bass Pro and started searching Surelife's website and saw that they make several products that may be appealing to the collectors here: Shad Keeper, Finer Shiner, Bait Buddies, Better Bait, and Crawfish Saver. Has anyone used/tried any of these products? I was thinking about trying some out, but wasn't sure which would be best. Finer Shiner says it's for hard-scaled fish, and better bait says it's for soft scaled. I normally keep all my collected fish in one cooler and have no idea if they are hard/soft scaled.
Here's the link to their product page
Sure Life Products
#3 Guest_CATfishTONY_*
Posted 11 January 2012 - 12:59 PM
we use shad keeper and it works! we can keep 5"-12" shad alive for days.and lots of them.During the warmer months it is close to impossbile to get a shiner/minnow/dace home without it getting fin-rot and dying, especially if you are out collecting all day. Even with the most aggressive ice/cooler/air system, they still tend to get too stressed and die.
I saw some Shad Keeper @ Bass Pro and started searching Surelife's website and saw that they make several products that may be appealing to the collectors here: Shad Keeper, Finer Shiner, Bait Buddies, Better Bait, and Crawfish Saver. Has anyone used/tried any of these products? I was thinking about trying some out, but wasn't sure which would be best. Finer Shiner says it's for hard-scaled fish, and better bait says it's for soft scaled. I normally keep all my collected fish in one cooler and have no idea if they are hard/soft scaled.
Here's the link to their product page
Sure Life Products
and this is at peek summer temps 98 deg.
my best advise is catch fish let them calm down in 5 gallon buckets with salt added in hot weather the fish purge them selfs more and the spike in first set of water kills them off fast. we them move fish to a big tank with frozen water bottles to drop temps at first plus lots of air. i use a bilge pump with a home made fillter. this system will keep all but some shinners alive. the ones that are clear as in like glass never seam to make it.
here is a link to a good design with this and shad keeper you should be fine in the summer heat.
http://www.learntoca...-tank-shad-tank
here is how to mix how much salt you need.
Stress in Shad
Shad stress out when caught, handled or being chased or transported. Stress is adrenaline released into the bloodstream. Adrenaline is followed closely by other steroids such as cortisol, which prepare the fish for its reaction. The result is raised blood glucose levels, red blood cell counts, heart and ventilation rates. The digestive processes may cease temporarily.
e.g., escape (Mazeaud and Mazeaud, 1981).
Adrenaline disturbs ion transport at the gill membrane, and both adrenaline and cortisol cause temporary changes in gill permeability which, in fresh water, results in dilution of the blood by excessive gain of water, and vice versa in normal seawater.
(Mazeaud et al., 1977; Folmar and Dickhoff, 1980).
Blood levels of calcium, magnesium, sodium, and other vital electrolytes are pushed out of normal operating ranges for as much as 24 hours after stress such as being caught in a casting net.
(Wedemeyer, 1972).
Trying to restore physiological and metabolic order diverts precious energy, which leaves the shad less capable of fighting pathogens. Cortisol elevation itself suppresses immune system function.
(Barton et al., 1987; Maule et al., 1987).
A general recipe may be found in Spotte, (1970).
Alternately, concentrations of single ions or salts reflecting their occurrence in natural seawater may serve (for sodium chloride, this will be of the order 0.5 to one percent in aqueous solution, to achieve a final salinity of about half that of normal seawater).
The Bulk density of salt approximate (dry, ASTM D 632 gradation) 1.154 (72 lb/ft3)
Since 1 ft 3 = 7.48 gallons, the Bulk density of salt converts to 72 lb / 7.48 gal = 9.6 lb/gal.
And 1 gallon = 16 cups, so salt weighs 9.6 lb/gal X gal/16 cup = 0.6 lb/cup gallon of fresh water is about 8.36 lb
1.0 percent of a gallon of fresh water is 0.0836 lb.
For 50 gal: 50 X 0.139 cups = 6.95 cups
For 30 gal: 30 X 0.139 cups = 4.17
Conversions of salt dosages
1 pound (lb.) = 454 grams (g)
1,000 g = 1 kilogram (kg)
Once the volume is calculated in cubic feet, the gallons are determined using these conversions:
1 ft = 7.48 gallons (gal.)
1 acre-foot (1 surface acre x 1 ft. deep) = 325,850 gal.
1 liter (L)= 0.26 gal.
Calculating tank volume is an important step to effective salt application. Measurements used to determine volume are usually in feet and/or inches.
The most common shapes of tanks are square, rectangular, or round.
Finding Volume of a square or rectangular raceway, tank or pond.
Volume (Vol.) = Length x width x depth
Example 1:
A rectangular tank is 12 feet (ft.) long, 3 ft. wide and 3 ft. deep.
What is its volume?
Vol. = 12 ft. x 3 ft. x 3 ft.
Vol. = 108 cubic ft.
Finding Volume of a round tank
Vol. = 3.14x (radius x radius) x depth
Example 2:
A round tank is 12 ft. in diameter and 4.5 ft. deep.
What is its volume?
(Radius = 0.5 x diameter)
Vol. = 3.14 x (radius x radius) x depth
Vol. = 3.14 X (6 ft. X 6 ft.) X 4.5 ft.
Vol. = 3.14 X 36
Vol. = 508.7 ft
The most commonly used units of measure in aquaculture is the part per million, commonly referred to as ppm.
In percentage calculations, 1% equals 10,000 ppm.
How much salt is needed to make a 2% solution in a round tank ?
salt needed (g) = 0.00378 g/gal. x 3,805.1 gal. x 20,000 = 287,663g or 633.6 lbs. (287,663g = 633.6 lbs.) 454g/lb.
How much salt is needed to make a 0.5% solution in a 100-gal. transport tank?
0.5% = 5,000 ppm
Salt needed (g) = 0.00378 g/gal. x 100 gal. x 5,000 ppm
Salt needed (g) = 1,890 g or 4.2 lbs. (1890g = 4.2 lbs.) 454g/lb
Edited by CATfishTONY, 11 January 2012 - 01:42 PM.
#4 Guest_gerald_*
Posted 11 January 2012 - 02:27 PM
During the warmer months it is close to impossbile to get a shiner/minnow/dace home without it getting fin-rot and dying, especially if you are out collecting all day. Even with the most aggressive ice/cooler/air system, they still tend to get too stressed and die.
#6 Guest_jacksmelt_*
Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:11 PM
Edited by jacksmelt, 29 December 2012 - 08:13 PM.
#8 Guest_gerald_*
Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:02 PM
#9 Guest_jblaylock_*
Posted 09 January 2013 - 06:02 PM
I was just looking at the Sure-Life website -- there's some very good info on there about fish stress management. Check out the "Bait Problem Solver" tab, and the descriptions of the products (Better Bait, Finer Shiner, Shad Saver. etc). The owner Tony Gergely developed products for Jungle Labs before he started Sure-Life, and it sounds like he knows his stuff. Hmmm ... wonder if he'd come speak at a NANFA conference sometime?
I'll have to check that out. I'm considering buying some of their products. I think that would really help getting shiners home, especially in the summer. I wonder if I would need to keep different fish in different buckets. Like minnows in one and darters or catfish in another.
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