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#1 Guest_Yeahson421_*

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 01:13 AM

http://www.aquabid.c...tive
I don't believe it's legal to own native clams, let alone sell them!

#2 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 07:52 AM

It says the seller is form NY, and I am no expert on laws up there... but I agree with your impression... I would say no.
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 09:01 AM

I don't know about NY either. But, with the mussels being freshwater, I would think that's a problem.

Here is the clamming laws, but I dont think this applies to FW.
http://www.dec.ny.go...door/29870.html

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 09:32 AM

It's a shame, too. I'm trying to find ways to make my tanks a more complete ecosystem. In my planted tank I have fish, plants, shrimp, snails, and bloodworms. That is the closest I've been able to get, and I like it a lot.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 06:32 PM

Many of the North American bivalves are parasitic to fish. Here is an article with more information: http://bogleech.com/...clampirism.html
Unio Gallery: http://unionid.missouristate.edu/
This video shows a logperch being captured by a snuffbox: http://unionid.misso..._snuffbox_1.wmv

I wouldn't put any of the North American bivalves in a tank with my fish, whether or not they were endangered. I don't know why anyone would want to. The look on the fish's face the first moment it got caught in that video... :(

Edited by EricaWieser, 18 March 2012 - 06:36 PM.


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Posted 18 March 2012 - 06:39 PM

That video is misleading, the mussels are all filter feeders and couldn't process a whole fish as food. It's more of a weird accident that the logperch irritated the mussel with its snout inside the valves, and was trapped by the closing. Mussels have surprisingly strong adductor muscles to close their valves, I hope that logperch was released before it was too late.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 06:40 PM

To quote the article,

"Far more aggressive is the "Snuffbox" mussel, Epioblasma triquetra. Females alone are equipped with barbed
teeth along the edges of their shells, which can snap shut like a bear trap on the nose of a bumbling fish.
Glochidia are squirted directly into the mouth of the struggling victim, settling in the gills where they remain for
up to two weeks. Its primary host, the Logperch, is just sturdy enough to survive this attack, but its powerful grip
has been known to smash the skulls of other interlopers."


That was no accident; the mussel takes advantage of the foraging technique of the logperch. Logperches roll rocks and mussels around to look for food. Video of logperch rolling snuffbox as part of its routine foraging technique: http://unionid.misso...sma/rollers.wmv
The snuffbox mussel keeps its young safe for their first two weeks of life inside the gills of its logperch host.

Edited by EricaWieser, 18 March 2012 - 06:47 PM.


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Posted 18 March 2012 - 08:08 PM

We had a presentation at the Virginia NANFA convention this past year showing video similar to this. This is just how the clams reproduce. I believe the presenter said that this is not neccesarily harmful to the fish.

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#9 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 10:52 PM

Many of the North American bivalves are parasitic to fish.


While it may meet the technical defintiion... this is somewhat overstated... in general glochidia are not harmful to the fish that they grow on...
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 07:36 AM

Anyone care to wager his "native" clams are actually Corbicula?

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:08 AM

Anyone care to wager his "native" clams are actually Corbicula?



Probably is. He doesnt even mention a common name for them to help keep him "legal" in NY (not sure what their rules are but here in PA they're all off limits).

Edited by exasperatus2002, 19 March 2012 - 08:08 AM.


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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:15 AM

Good point Newt, the guy is either both stupid and sleazy, or just plain sleazy.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 03:28 PM

New York is very very strict about taking anything out of the wild judging by the stories I've heard. I mean teachers taking students on nature walk can't bring a caterpillar back strict.

#14 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 05:31 PM

Anyone care to wager his "native" clams are actually Corbicula?


Didn't look like it in the picture... but hard to tell... and no reason to believe that what he is selling looks like the picture!
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