ID confirmations

I need a few ID's confirmed.

Is this a juvenile bluegill? I was hoping at first it was another banded but I suspect a bluegill. But I haven't caught enough bandeds to be sure on excluding them.



Second question, is this a blacknose dace. It looks like one, but the scales seem more prominant than usual. I hope it is just due to using a better camera for the picture. I do not see the dorsal fin to rule out creek chub, sincerely hope it isn't a threatened bridle shiner but that worry crossed my mind the other day, and someone on the trip report suggested creek chubsucker. When I netted, photographed, and released it I assumed it was just a blacknose. Honestly I was hurring to get target species before dark at that point so didn't pay close attention to the catches.

Top fish is a banded sunfish, bottom fish are not Rhinichthys... but I don't think they're Erimyzon, either. I'd be more tempted to suggest juvenile fallfish rather than bridle shiners. Without better photos, it's impossible to say for certain.

Fallfish tend to have white eyes not a dark band on them. (not sure on juveniles though).

I would guess Blacknose Shiner (Notropis heterolepis), based on the dorsal line apparently be coloration with no deviation in scale structure, the eye havin the appearance of being inside a near perfectly circular ring plate, the illussion of a fake gill behind the eye just before the large gill structure begins, and of course the goldish band just above the black strip. Some better pictures showing more body structures would be nive, but that is my guess.

http://fish.dnr.corn...ose_shiner.html
http://upload.wikime...heterolepis.jpg

I would guess Blacknose Shiner (Notropis heterolepis), based on the dorsal line apparently be coloration with no deviation in scale structure, the eye havin the appearance of being inside a near perfectly circular ring plate, the illussion of a fake gill behind the eye just before the large gill structure begins, and of course the goldish band just above the black strip. Some better pictures showing more body structures would be nive, but that is my guess.

That would be an interesting choice as they are so far only known from one river (the Isinglass) in NH. If that was so they spread since then. I am very tempted to send the pic in to fish and game for expert confirmation, and to stop my worrying about catching the wrong fish or not. (face the results if it is, be happy if not). I am very glad I released the fish at least.

Edited by FirstChAoS, 03 August 2012 - 01:07 AM.

The fish & game experts wont be able to confirm it either; the picture is not good enough. Guesses are all you're gonna get from that shot. Consider getting or making a small photo tank for field use, or one of those Lee's plastic boxes that petshops use when bagging fish.

I need to build me a good photo tank myself. My best pictures are often the ones I get without ever capturing the fish.

Sometimes it's embarrassing to see the spelling and sentence structures in some of my own post