Snuck in a quick trip to my favorite local stream. I wasn't really expecting much, as my last couple visits hadn't been very productive and with all the recent rains I thought the water would be high. I was happily surprised.
As I climbed down the bank to the stream it was obvious there had been heavy water flow into it recently. Mini landslides were evident here and there. A couple parts of the stream were different- silt where there hadn't been any, silt gone where it had been previously, logs moved around. All the usual post-deluge stuff. But the water was mostly clear and down to the perfect level, so I was hopeful as I started working the dipnet. The first swipe hit pay dirt, and things just got better as I went downstream. I saw the usual suspects, found some friends who had been missing, and added new species to my fishy life list. I'm going to need some help on some of these id's though...
My first stop is always the pool under the bridge you cross to get to the best parking spot in the area. I've always been surprised that all that has turned up there is crayfish and salamanders. Until today. Got the first bluehead chub, Nocomis leptocephalus I had seen in a couple months in this water. They still weren't present in the numbers they had been, but at least they were there! Got my first pseudo-mystery fish, too. I was very excited to pull up a large madtom. Was even more excited when I realized it was a bullhead! Here's the problem though, I've poured over the pictures and my guides (Fritz's book and Peterson's) and I've settled on snail bullhead, Ameiurus brunneus, based on caudal fin shape, coloration, mottling, and black splotch at the base of the dorsal. That said, depending on lighting, it did look an olive-yellow at times, and the barbels are just as consistent in coloration for a yellow bullhead as they are a young snailey. Given the coloration on the dorsal, caudal, and anal fins, I'd say this specimen is mature.
Paydirt! Chubs, and bullheads, and darters, oh my!
I also netted what is becoming the most captured fish in this stream, a tessellated darter, Etheostoma olmstedi.
I had never turned up sunfish in this creek before, but a pool just a short distance down from the bridge produced three. I'm looking for a little help with these id's, too. I've settled on green sunfish, Lepomis cyanellus, for all of them. Only the size of the mouths, which seem smaller than described, trouble me. Never having seen a green sunfish, I don't have any experience on which to judge. The juvenile was taken from below an undercut bank, the adults from a log laying in the stream. As for the scary looking insect, I'm guessing it's a damselfly nymph. I apologize for the quality of these pictures. The really blurry sunfish picture is included only because it's the only one that comes close to capturing the color of these fish. The "damselfly" and the camera never did make friends...
Further downstream there were more tessellateds, and creek chubs, Semotilus atromaculatus, started to show up as well.
The next surprise was this darter. It just doesn't seem like a tessie. I'm leaning toward Carolina darter, Etheostoma collis. The black at the front of the first dorsal is my strongest clue. The lateral line and pattern on the caudal seems good, too.
Also making an appearance were greenhead shiners, Notropis chlorocephalus. (No pictures worth posting...) The final surprise downstream was another bullhead. For all the reasons I thought the first bullhead was a snaily, I think this one is a yellow bullhead, Ameiurus natalis. But for the same reasons I was unsure of the snail bullhead id, I'm unsure of this one.
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So there was my happy little trip for today. Any comments, hints, or suggestions on id-ing those bullheads, sunnies, and that darter are welcome!
Best day yet at my favorite little stream!
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mattknepley
, May 22 2013 10:04 PM
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#2 Guest_Casper_*
Posted 22 May 2013 - 11:15 PM
I can help you with one...
The last Sunfish, the trio of handshots and the one before in the phototank.
He is a common inhabitant of farm ponds, invasive and very hardy. Never a good aquarium mate of smaller minnows, darters and dace. He is a predator indeed. Note his long bass like body. The dark spot at the back of his dorsal fine. The horizonal pattern of dots on his side.
A handsome Sunfish.
The last Sunfish, the trio of handshots and the one before in the phototank.
He is a common inhabitant of farm ponds, invasive and very hardy. Never a good aquarium mate of smaller minnows, darters and dace. He is a predator indeed. Note his long bass like body. The dark spot at the back of his dorsal fine. The horizonal pattern of dots on his side.
A handsome Sunfish.
#3
Posted 23 May 2013 - 06:05 AM
Thanks, Casper. Long, bass-like body. Dark spot on second dorsal. Yellow to orange edges on fins. Farmpond invasive and hardy. I'll stand with the green sunfish id. Looking at the pictures again, the mouth is bigger than I originally thought. I guess because the mouth is open in the only pictures that are clear, it makes it look like that jaw doesn't come back as far as it does. That, and for some reason, I just hadn't seen greens as that good looking a fish before. That, and Peterson's doesn't put greens anywhere near me (but of course, are "introduced elsewhere"). Fritz has 'em in that stream, though.
Edited by mattknepley, 23 May 2013 - 06:06 AM.
Matt Knepley
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
#5 Guest_Casper_*
Posted 23 May 2013 - 07:45 AM
Yes... as with Derek, and a good hint from him too, the first two are likely different. Little Sunfish are tough but the young Greenie, those last 4 sunfish shots, were common to my eye.
When i was young i retrieved 2 small ones from a "culling activity" alongside a farm pond and added them to my well decorated, and nicely populated, aquarium. Before long i had 2 medium sized mean Greens and nothing else. They were smart and no netting attempt, day or night, could get them from the cluttered tank. I finally resorted to my first attempt at micro fishing and caught them direct from the tank... one, two pronto!
A fun trick to remember boys and girls.
When i was young i retrieved 2 small ones from a "culling activity" alongside a farm pond and added them to my well decorated, and nicely populated, aquarium. Before long i had 2 medium sized mean Greens and nothing else. They were smart and no netting attempt, day or night, could get them from the cluttered tank. I finally resorted to my first attempt at micro fishing and caught them direct from the tank... one, two pronto!
A fun trick to remember boys and girls.
#6 Guest_daveneely_*
Posted 23 May 2013 - 08:28 AM
If ever you're unsure on your bullheads, take a minute to gaze into their beady little eyes before you call them a yellow, black, or brown. These three are collectively known as the smalleye bullheads, for good reason. If they look back at you with a more sizeable eye, then you likely have something else. I'd say you have already called it.
Looks like a fun little stream. That little damselfly might be a fun thing to rear up and see what it turns into.
Looks like a fun little stream. That little damselfly might be a fun thing to rear up and see what it turns into.
#7
Posted 23 May 2013 - 11:17 AM
Thanks, guys.
Dave, I don't know that I'd have ever picked up on the difference in the eye sizes on my own. Now that you mention it though, it seems like such an obvious trait. Thanks for the tip! It is a fun little stream, but that damsel fly nymph gave me the heebie-jeebies. It's got some nasty looking, stabbing-biting looking appendages up front. Don't know if that's what they really were, but I wasn't really anxious to find out!
Sorry to hear those greenies tore your tank up, Casper. They must get their "net smarts" as they age because I didn't have to work too hard on these two.
Derek, now that is a hint even I can take! With that hint, and two bars going back to where the "earflap" will presumably grow in - and with the help of a little bird- I'm going to say redbreast sunfish, Lepomis auritus.
Dave, I don't know that I'd have ever picked up on the difference in the eye sizes on my own. Now that you mention it though, it seems like such an obvious trait. Thanks for the tip! It is a fun little stream, but that damsel fly nymph gave me the heebie-jeebies. It's got some nasty looking, stabbing-biting looking appendages up front. Don't know if that's what they really were, but I wasn't really anxious to find out!
Sorry to hear those greenies tore your tank up, Casper. They must get their "net smarts" as they age because I didn't have to work too hard on these two.
Derek, now that is a hint even I can take! With that hint, and two bars going back to where the "earflap" will presumably grow in - and with the help of a little bird- I'm going to say redbreast sunfish, Lepomis auritus.
Matt Knepley
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
#8 Guest_gerald_*
Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:39 PM
On your first bullhead, the big-eyed one, note the long maxillary barbel is light along the front edge and dark along the back, and the chin barbels are light ... is there another big-eyed bullhead with a dark dorsal base and dorso-ventrally depressed head to consider?
Agree with your Carolina darter ID - that's a fish not many folks get to see - the Piedmont version of a swamp darter..
Agree with your Carolina darter ID - that's a fish not many folks get to see - the Piedmont version of a swamp darter..
#10
Posted 23 May 2013 - 08:13 PM
Doh! I don't know how I missed flat bullhead Ameiurus platycephalus! That one in Fritz's book is a dead ringer for "my" fish, and everything in the write-up fits. Thanks, Gerald.
Encouraged that I got a couple right, and grateful for the guidance of sages on the others. Thanks to all! Hopefully we can do more of these id's, in person, soon.
Encouraged that I got a couple right, and grateful for the guidance of sages on the others. Thanks to all! Hopefully we can do more of these id's, in person, soon.
Matt Knepley
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."
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