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Micropterus of a smaller species?


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Posted 27 May 2013 - 03:21 PM

Team, my main domain are the 1 to 2 inch fish, and I am passionate about Killifish. There are specimen that intrigue me. I have been dedicated to Gambusia a. differences in coloration and mapping these differences based on locale for example. Every now and then I spot one of these guys racing after the crazy population of Gambusia we have here in SoFlo, Hard to spot, even harder to catch. Yesterday night I manage to get and picture one in one of the bottle-traps. The funny note is here: you can see my 8-year old (I have 8-year old twins who always come with me). I asked him to "hold" the fish while I took the picture. Pic 1 taken, between Pics 1 and 2 the fish was already back on the water ... by itself :-) Question: Am I right com conclude this is a Micropterus? If so, which species? They seem full grown at about 6.2 cm long as what I can observe on different spots of the lakes and canals.Attached File  DSC03309.JPG   100.75KB   2 downloadsAttached File  DSC03310.JPG   88.55KB   1 downloads

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Posted 27 May 2013 - 10:27 PM

I'm going to try to be helpful even though I, too, am a nano-fish person and don't know much at all about larger species. But I wouldn't learn anything by avoiding these questions, so I'll do some research and see if I can help.

Here are pictures of juvenile small and large mouth bass:
small: http://zeus.collegeo...rusDolomieu.htm
large: http://zeus.collegeo...usSalmoides.htm
Based on those two species, your fish looks more like a largemouth than a smallmouth because its lacks the radiating facial lines that the smallmouth has. The chocktaw bass and Guadalupe bass have those radiating facial lines, too.

Some other bass look a lot like largemouth bass. Using the dichotomous key here: http://fishbio.com/f...
we can rule out smallmouth and redeye bass because unlike your fish, they lack a lateral band of spots. But both largemouth and spotted bass have a lateral band of spots. The difference between those two is that the largemouth has no dark bands on its tail, while the spotted bass has a dark band between two lighter bands. Brian Zimmerman posted a photo of a spotted bass juvenile here: http://gallery.nanfa... by BZ.jpg.html
and this is the point where I stop trying to be helpful, because that looks completely identical to me to http://zeus.collegeo...usSalmoides.htm , the picture from earlier that ID'd a largemouth bass.

If they really are full grown at 6.2 cm long, then I don't think they could be largemouth or spotted bass. Both grow to be over a foot long. It could be that the region you're sampling in is a breeding grounds, and as the fish grow they move on to another water with prey more suited to their larger size. My guess is that you caught a juvenile either largemouth or spotted bass. Probably largemouth bass, based on how its mouth ends under its eye instead of before it. (Tip from Shorty on http://www.nefga.org...mouth-(picture) ) But, again, I have no idea what I'm talking about. This is not my area of expertise.

Edited by EricaWieser, 27 May 2013 - 11:05 PM.


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 08:11 PM

Attached File  DSC03177.JPG   101.4KB   0 downloads sharing a pic taken little over a week before. While I was collecting nano-fish with my little son, my teen son was angling, one of his catches was this Bass. This angle shows his color pattern, I would assume it is same species of the juvenile on the hand of my other little Twin at the beginning of this post. Going for the M. punctuatus.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 02:32 PM

Even the smallest Micropterus species get up to 14 inches or so (Peterson Field Guide). You're probably only seeing the juveniles, or else they are stunted. That said, there's a huge range between how much food a fish needs to stay healthy and how much it will eat (and grow) if the given the chance. Stunting a fish by limiting its food intake happens a lot in aquariums, both deliberately and accidentally, and does not necessarily harm it or shorten its life the way stunting a warm-blooded animal would. Many of us have seen aquarium-raised bass, sunfish, and catfish 5 to 10 years old and only 1/3 the size they would have been in a pond with unlimited food.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 08:42 PM

thank you for the marvelous details Gerald.




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