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Chain or Redfin

Started by Guest_FirstChAoS_* , Aug 21 2013 11:56 PM

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#1 Guest_FirstChAoS_*

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 11:56 PM

Can anyone ID this little pickerel? I am hoping it is a redfin not a chain (as I never caught one and I was in their area) but I am not sure.

It has vertical stripes like a redfin, but markings in young fish rarely match adults. I hear chains have a vertical line under their eye, and redfins an angled one. The image in the photo tank looks angled, the one in the net looks vertical.

Apparently redfins have a shorter bulldog snout, but young pickerel have different snouts than adults.

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Regardless, small pickerel are the cutest little fellows who grow into big, voracious, scary looking, predators.

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#2 Guest_Dustin_*

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:38 AM

There is no way to say which species you have from these photos. The snout length and width is a very useful character when you only have to pick between chain and redfin. They become very obvious after you've seen a few. As an aside and certainly not definitive, I have found that chains are almost always more slender, even at very small size than their redfin counterparts.

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#3 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 11:07 PM

Josh, When you posted these photos, did you ask yourself "could I make a definitive ID from these photos"? I am certain your answer would be "NO" It is hard enough to ID fish in hand but even harder to ID them from photos on a forum. Here is a recent example from a member with a pretty decent ID thread.

http://forum.nanfa.o...ntral-missouri/

I know it is difficult to photo a fish, hyped up on adrenaline, trying to get it safely back into the water, but this is what it takes.

You might want to slow down a bit, and take 10 or more photos until you get that one good photo that actually shows the characteristics that the ID experts on here need to provide you with something definitive.

Make a paddle for that tank, and push that pickerel up to the front. Watch out, they are jumpy. A good profile shot is key.

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#4 Guest_Casper_*

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:49 AM

Good advive Skippy.
I can tell Chaos that Redfin Pickerel taste good.
Eat what you seine... at least once in your lifetime.

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#5 Guest_Irate Mormon_*

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 12:30 AM

Um, Casper - have you ever seined up a mudpuppy? Or a Hellbender!! Now, your gastronomical explorations are already the stuff of legend, but still...

BTW, how do you cook hellgrammites and assassin beetles? Or do you just swallow 'em with a pinch of salt??

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#6 Guest_Irate Mormon_*

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 12:32 AM

Lastly, if one is to follow Casper's advice, do NOT seine underneath a bridge. Ever.

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#7 Guest_gzeiger_*

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 10:29 AM

I don't think I would find mudpuppy objectionable actually, but I would feel bad about hurting them.

Hellgramites are meant to be covered in chocolate. Assassin beetles I'd probably just mail to Casper.

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#8 Guest_FirstChAoS_*

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 12:12 PM

Make a paddle for that tank, and push that pickerel up to the front. Watch out, they are jumpy. A good profile shot is key.

That's actually recommended ?!? I seen Justin force fish against a photo tank glass in the past and it always seemed cruel. It looked almost like squishing them (if he used a tiny bit more force).

As for Casper eating mudpuppies, maybe he can try eating them with leafy greens. I heard salad-manders are newt-ritious.

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#9 Guest_gzeiger_*

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 12:21 PM

Don't actually push it against the glass, but you can make the area narrow enough that it can't turn around, so he'll stay parallel to the camera lens.