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210 Native Aquarium

Started by Guest_JasonGoneFishing_* , Sep 05 2013 05:09 PM

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#1 Guest_JasonGoneFishing_*

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 05:09 PM

Here is my 210, Darters of all sorts, Shiners, Madtoms (not in the video) Hognose and various minnows/suckers that I haven't looked up yet to see what they are.

I attached a few photos from this past weekend. We did use the cast net, I forgot about that, we used it three times and caught this bass {moderator edit: the bass was by-catch and after the photograph was released unharmed: personal communication from the original poster} and it then spit up a small hognose

I've also been finding these little round guys, finally got around to looking it up and they are called Water Penny, pretty neat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkSlkchXUgw

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#2 Guest_Gavinswildlife_*

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 05:28 PM

Excellent video and aquarium. I like your choice of the chub ( I think that's what it is). I have had problems with chubs eating smaller fish, though.

Edited by Gavinswildlife, 05 September 2013 - 05:30 PM.

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#3 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 06:58 PM

Jason, I need to ask you to clarify a couple of things in your post. Can you please contact me via the private message? There are a number of problems that I think we need to clarify. Most importantly I need to advise you never bring home anything that you are not sure what it is and how to successfully maintain it.

Gavin, I am not sure which fish you are talking about, but I did not see any chub in the video that I would be worried about eating fish. In fact, I am not sure that I saw anything that I would have called a chub. Semotilus chubs are omnivores and will eat smaller fish. Nocomis and Hybopsis chubs are very fish safe. This is one of many reasons to know your fish before you bring them home.

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#4 Guest_fundulus_*

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 07:41 PM

If you find water pennys in a stream that's a pretty good bioindicator of clean water and good ecosystem function.

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#5 Guest_JasonGoneFishing_*

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 07:43 PM

The suckers are doing well, they eat with the Shiners and Darters and stayed schooled up most of the time. Looking at the DNR Fish Species, it appears to be a Suckermouth Minnow, http://www.dnr.state...53/Default.aspx

I'm not sure if I have Steelcolor Shiners or Spotfin Shiner thou. I'm thinking Spotfin, the last one I had I'm pretty sure it was a Steelcolor Shiner as it was very vibrant blue/steel color, very tall top top tipped in white. These guys have a somewhat tall dorsal but shorter than what I remember having in the past.

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#6 Guest_JasonGoneFishing_*

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 07:45 PM

If you find water pennys in a stream that's a pretty good bioindicator of clean water and good ecosystem function.

Here is a video of it on my hand.

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#7 Guest_gerald_*

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 09:49 AM

Cool tank, nice shots, and welcome. Some of those shiners look like they've got Flexibacter infection, which is one of the most common problems with wild caught fish (especially in summer), and difficult to cure. It spreads and kills quickly. Adding salt (1 teasp /gal) in the collecting bucket BEFORE you start collecting can usually help prevent it. (Salt in the water reduces the fish's loss of body salt when stressed, which makes them susceptible to bacterial and fungal infection). Also it's crucial to avoid crowding them - much better to get a few healthy fish home than a cooler full of stressed, doomed ones.

What kind of madtom is that lovely golden one ... slender? stonecat?

Edit: One comment about Michael's advice on "never bring home anything that you are not sure what it is" : Not sure about KY, but most state fishing licenses do not require you to identify "bait minnows" that you collect legally from a legal location. They just assume the accidental "take" of any rare/protected species will be negligible. However, since conservation of rare species is one of NANFA's central missions, we ask our members and forum users to abide by a higher standard, and make sure they dont accidentally bring home a fish that might be a protected species. That's why we only allow ID requests on fish photographed in the field (even a ziplock bag will work in a pinch) and NOT in a home aquarium (unless it's a fish you got from a pet shop).

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#8 Guest_jblaylock_*

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 10:00 AM

The suckers are doing well, they eat with the Shiners and Darters and stayed schooled up most of the time. Looking at the DNR Fish Species, it appears to be a Suckermouth Minnow, http://www.dnr.state...53/Default.aspx

I'm not sure if I have Steelcolor Shiners or Spotfin Shiner thou. I'm thinking Spotfin, the last one I had I'm pretty sure it was a Steelcolor Shiner as it was very vibrant blue/steel color, very tall top top tipped in white. These guys have a somewhat tall dorsal but shorter than what I remember having in the past.

Without seeing it, I'd bet Spotfin. They are much more common and they do have the white-tipped fins.

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#9 Guest_JasonGoneFishing_*

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 11:24 AM

Cool tank, nice shots, and welcome. Some of those shiners look like they've got Flexibacter infection, which is one of the most common problems with wild caught fish (especially in summer), and difficult to cure. It spreads and kills quickly. Adding salt (1 teasp /gal) in the collecting bucket BEFORE you start collecting can usually help prevent it. (Salt in the water reduces the fish's loss of body salt when stressed, which makes them susceptible to bacterial and fungal infection). Also it's crucial to avoid crowding them - much better to get a few healthy fish home than a cooler full of stressed, doomed ones.

What kind of madtom is that lovely golden one ... slender? stonecat?

Edit: One comment about Michael's advice on "never bring home anything that you are not sure what it is" : Not sure about KY, but most state fishing licenses do not require you to identify "bait minnows" that you collect legally from a legal location. They just assume the accidental "take" of any rare/protected species will be negligible. However, since conservation of rare species is one of NANFA's central missions, we ask our members and forum users to abide by a higher standard, and make sure they dont accidentally bring home a fish that might be a protected species. That's why we only allow ID requests on fish photographed in the field (even a ziplock bag will work in a pinch) and NOT in a home aquarium (unless it's a fish you got from a pet shop).

What exactly does it look like, Flexibacter infection? I don't see anything noticeable, but maybe I'm missing it.

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#10 Guest_JasonGoneFishing_*

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 11:24 AM

Without seeing it, I'd bet Spotfin. They are much more common and they do have the white-tipped fins.

You can see the shiners in the video

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#11 Guest_gerald_*

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 11:55 AM

Look around 1:15 and 2:10 in your video: Fin edges cloudy and ragged, fin membrane between the rays deteriorating, and swimming motion looks twitchy, not smooth. It often starts on the fin edges, eating away the tissue, and when it gets down to the body (within a couple days) the fish usually dies. It can also start on the body, often just behind the head or on the mouth, especially if fish were injured by handling. Minnows seem to be the most susceptible, but all fish can get it. Even mosquitofish, as tough as they are against most things, often get Flexibacter (aka Columnaris) symptoms soon after being caught, especially in soft low-conductivity water.

What exactly does it look like, Flexibacter infection? I don't see anything noticeable, but maybe I'm missing it.

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#12 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 11:57 AM

What exactly does it look like, Flexibacter infection? I don't see anything noticeable, but maybe I'm missing it.

White tattered tails on the stonerollers and spotfins at 2:05. I would salt the tank now at 2 tablespoons per five gallons of water. Use non iodized pure salt with no anti caking agents. Often Kosher salt from Kroger will work, but be sure to read the label. I hate to say it, but once Flexibacter has taken hold, it will likely kill the fish. Like Gerald said it is difficult to cure, you can try some stronger meds from your LFS, but I have had very limited success. Salting the collecting bucket prior to collecting can help a great deal, but also as mentioned by Gerald, summertime can be a tough time to collect and transport fish. Cooler weather is better for actually bringing fish home.

Edit: Gerald beat me to it, but I think we said about the same thing.

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#13 Guest_JasonGoneFishing_*

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 01:23 PM

I see what you mean now. I have noticed this with a lot of fish, even tropical's. What happens is, when the fish are released in the tank after acclimation, a small portion of their tail fin, usually the edges, basically fall off and then it regrows. From my experience, the fish regrow the edge of the fins within a week or two. This isn't with all fish but some here and there. I do have salt which I will add tonight.

Edited by JasonGoneFishing, 06 September 2013 - 01:23 PM.