I'm creating this new thread to move a series of posts that started on EricaLyons's thread about Elassoma gilberti, in which the ID of wild-caught fish that she purchased on-line are in question. Normally NANFA does NOT allow ID assistance on photos taken in home aquaria, in order to minimize the risk of people accidentally collecting protected species that they could not identify in the field. NANFA encourages all collectors to bring a photo tank and camera in the field, so that unknown species can be field-photographed and released.
ID Photos From Home Aquaria - Why Not?
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, Sep 11 2013 03:49 PM
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 08:20 AM
I do think the NANFA's rule on this is necessary and the correct procedure. When I speak to new native fish people or to groups about native fish I stress; over and over and over and over, KNOW YOUR FISH! I think it is very important to have a good knowledge of most of the fish in the area you are. Most of use hobbyist don't know all the fish like some of the biologist do, but to have a working knowledge of fish and what a fish is/isn't is VERY important.
However, there can be exceptions to this rule, but I feel those need to be explained from the beginning. I didn't read Erica's thread, but it sounds like her situation should be allowed. The same as the ID request for the people who buy a Swamp Darter from the LFS. These fish are already out of the wild by no fault of the current owner, I think that is okay.
However, there can be exceptions to this rule, but I feel those need to be explained from the beginning. I didn't read Erica's thread, but it sounds like her situation should be allowed. The same as the ID request for the people who buy a Swamp Darter from the LFS. These fish are already out of the wild by no fault of the current owner, I think that is okay.
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 08:32 AM
But is it against the laws? I'm sure the laws differ in each states but I can't find that it is illegal to collecting darters, rare minnows and other small "bait" fishes home for aquarium in Minnesota beside it is illegal to collecting any fish in trout streams and Asian carp infested waters.
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 08:36 AM
Just because it is rare doesn't mean it is protected. In SC, I find banded sunfish and pugnose minnows to be rare, but they aren't protected so they are legal to collect and keep. It is against the law to harass in any manner a species that is state or federally threatened or endangered.
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 09:43 AM
I don't think state/fed laws are really relevant to this discussion. This is more about the NANFA rule of not asking for ID help from a photo of a fish already in your aquarium.
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 02:02 PM
In my opinion it is really relevant to this discussion. Just because it's a NANFA's ethnical rule, doesn't mean it is illegal or that someone has to be arrested for bring an unidentified fish home for aquarium purposes, unless it's one of these invasive species and/or protected species deals.I don't think state/fed laws are really relevant to this discussion. This is more about the NANFA rule of not asking for ID help from a photo of a fish already in your aquarium.
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 04:18 PM
In my opinion it is really relevant to this discussion. Just because it's a NANFA's ethnical rule, doesn't mean it is illegal or that someone has to be arrested for bring an unidentified fish home for aquarium purposes, unless it's one of these invasive species and/or protected species deals.
Nobody said that anyone will get arrested. I'm not going to get into an argument here. NANFA is not a rule making body for the U.S. However, on our forum, we do make the rules and at this time we don't take ID requests from people who have a photo of an in tank fish. I suppose there can be exceptions, but that would be a case by case situation.
I don't want to sound like a jerk, but there is a good reason why we do not want those ID requests. Just like you said, "unless it's one of these...protected species deals." Now tell me, how do you know if a fish is protected if you're asking NANFA for an ID on the fish of it in your aquarium. The rule is in place to protect you, from getting out and just grabbing anything, and to protect NANFA from supporting a person who might do this.
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 04:27 PM
For all to reference:
http://forum.nanfa.o...-in-this-forum/
There is really no point to arguing this.
http://forum.nanfa.o...-in-this-forum/
There is really no point to arguing this.
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 05:17 PM
This is not going in the direction that Gerald intended it to. So for the moment it is locked.
NANFA is not a lawmaking body. But it is our choice to make our own rules on our own forum. Taking baitfish is legal in most states, so that in itself is not illegal. But if I take the wrong fish, that happens to be protected, then it certainly can be illegal. This is really not the point though. This is NANFA policy. This is to protect the members and NANFA.
NANFA is not a lawmaking body. But it is our choice to make our own rules on our own forum. Taking baitfish is legal in most states, so that in itself is not illegal. But if I take the wrong fish, that happens to be protected, then it certainly can be illegal. This is really not the point though. This is NANFA policy. This is to protect the members and NANFA.
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 06:14 PM
Here is a for instance. If I went collecting in southern Kentucky, and brought home a bunch of federally protected Blackside dace, and took photos of them for ID purposes in my own aquarium, then posted them on the internet for the world to see, that would be pretty incriminating. GUILTY! Now if our organization allows this activity, then how does that make us look? Like fools! There is good reason for this rule, and it needs to remain the way it is.
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