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#1 mattknepley

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 11:05 AM

...One really exists, and I have proof!

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No, not Big Foot; Stephen! After months of trying to get together and failing, I was beginning to think Stephen was just a NANFA myth. Turns out he's not a myth; he's just elusive! The two of us finally managed to get together and hit the streams this past Sunday afternoon. I had a great time getting to meet him and poke around in some different waters.

Our "goal", such as it was, was to see if we could find Christmas darters in Three and Twenty Creek, Anderson County, SC. Really, I think we both just wanted an excuse to meet up and get our feet wet. We first tried a spot on Three and Twenty that we thought lined up with known collection spots for E. hopkinsi. As Stephen predicted, the water was quite high and fast. Not unworkable, but not productive either. We splashed around for well over an hour, trying all different types of cover in the stream, and only came up with one sad looking madtom and some tiny redbreast sunfish. Most disappointing was that, despite our assurances to the contrary, neither one of us proved prone to falling down in the water. At least that would have been exciting...

We gave up on Three and Twenty and determined to try a couple of its tribs. First stop was Little Garvin Creek. Despite the fact that LGC is guarded by a crack commando squad of Clemson University's Elite Bovine Guard, who are stationed at a C.U. experimental farm bordering the stream, we accessed the water and got to work. The little trib had much more accommodating water. We turned up margined madtoms (Noturus insignis), speckled madtoms (Noturus leptacanthus), and some gambusia. A couple white tubercled crayfish (Procambarus spiculifer) turned up as well. Here are some pics.

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Unfortunately, the Bovine Guard declined a photo request. The speckleds were a new life fish for me, and the cray was pretty dang cool, so I was happy.

Our last stop was Cuffie Creek. Definitely not on my return trip agenda, and probably not Stephen's, either. Not that there was much wrong with it, except for accessing it through orange, discolored, stagnant water; sediment that sucked one in all the way up to their thighs, and the pungent summer aroma of something big and dead decaying just out of sight. Footprints indicated the area to host a population of racoons roughly the size of bison. (There is the possibility said tracks actually belonged to beavcoons...) Still, being NANFAns, we wallowed ahead. Our reward was a bumper crop of yellow bullheads, a couple redbreasts, several gambusia, and the joy of unintentionally giving a lost senior citizen and her young granddaughters very incorrect directions... There was also this little dude, who we decided was probably a rosyface chub (Hybopsis rubrifons).

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So, as you can tell by the tone of this post, while we might not have turned up much in the line of diversity or numbers, we had a really fun time. And that is every bit as important as the first two considerations. :D/

Plus, it's really good to know Stephen is an actual living, breathing person and not a myth. Now to prove Dustin is real, and not the stuff of NANFA lore...

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#2 Guest_sbtgrfan_*

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 03:59 PM

First and foremost, I firmly believe Sasquatch is out there. I have been to some remote locations in Georgia, Missouri and Kentucky that are prime territory for them and have first hand sightings of squatch nests!

Second, it was great to finally get together with you and meet you as well. Now we just need the location expert, Dustin, to guide us next time since I was of little to no help whatsoever even though I live in the area. The next outing will be much more planned out for sure. Had I not had exams the previous two weeks I would have gotten out and scouted some.

and the joy of unintentionally giving a lost senior citizen and her young granddaughters very incorrect directions...

24 years old, traveled around the southeast for work for two summers using way outdated quad maps to guide us, was in the boy scouts most of my childhood and yet somehow I managed to give wrong directions with a map in hand. I guess the good news is I sort of pointed her in the right direction, she just might have had to make a few detours along the way. Hope she wasn't in a hurry. Whoops!

Back to the fishes! Any other thoughts on that smaller fish? The main thing that pointed towards Rosyface chub for me was it had some red coloration in the snout area. No dorsal spot to be a creek chub. Resembles a bluehead, but we both something was off about it to not be a bluehead. Plus, that dorsal is not a bluehead dorsal I don't think. However, looking at the pictures I don't see any barbels to indicated rosyface (could be the angle of pics or maybe they aren't visible that young). It was only an 1-1.5" long, if that.

#3 mattknepley

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 04:44 PM

When I first see those pictures, I want to call it a bluehead. Definitely not a creek, even the tiniest of those seem to have some type of dorsal spot. It's mostly the shape of the upper snout area that gets me thinking it may be a rosyface. Will get around to counting rays and what not soon. That ought to confuse me real good. The pictures are admittedly poor, but should be workable. For the record, I didn't scoop sediment up with the fish for its photos. The water was just that gunky in many places.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 07:33 PM

Looks like Nocomis to me.

#5 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 08:18 PM

OK, so I think I would go with Bluehead...

this is a juv bluehead
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this is a juv. rosyface
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 08:26 PM

Good comparison photos. Hybopsis are pretty distinctive once you have seen a few.

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 08:33 PM

Look how much more sharply pointed the dorsal is than on a bluehead. Maybe this isn't a distinguishing characteristic, just threw me off a bit.

#8 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 08:43 PM

I agree with your observation, but I am not sure that it means anything.

Other things that I think you should be looking at:
  • width of the caudal peduncle
  • shape of the caudal fin... rounded, less sharp tips
  • shape of the iris
  • clear white around the iris
  • no obvious lateral line on the side of the fish

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 09:37 PM

I agree with the majority for what it's worth.

#10 mattknepley

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 05:09 AM

I agree with the majority for what it's worth.

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Those are really good comparison/contrast photos, Michael. Thanks. It has that much more rounded, bullet-shaped body of a bluehead, doesn't it? The caudal peduncle and iris shapes are dead on for Nocomis leptocephalus, too. Have to agree with the sages that it's a "blubberhead", as my 11 year old calls 'em.
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Posted 02 October 2013 - 06:40 AM

I agree with your observation, but I am not sure that it means anything.

Other things that I think you should be looking at:

  • width of the caudal peduncle
  • shape of the caudal fin... rounded, less sharp tips
  • shape of the iris
  • clear white around the iris
  • no obvious lateral line on the side of the fish


I can see most of that now that I'm looking at the photos on my computer instead of my phone. Helps to be able to zoom, doesn't it??



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