Request: Notchlip Redhorse information
#1 Guest_Kanus_*
Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:13 PM
I was wondering if anyone had access to the species description of the Notchlip Redhorse (Moxostoma collapsum) or any way to differentiate a Notchlip from a Silver (other than drainage). An unidentified redhorse was collected in the New drainage this summer that I have looked at and narrowed down to one of the two species. However, as neither are native, and we have silvers in the adjacent upper TN, and notchlips in the neighboring Roanoke drainage, I would really like to confirm which species it is/where it came from. I have a suspicion that this fish is of Roanoke origin, but I'd like to know for sure. Thanks very much.
#2
Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:19 PM
Fritz says "This species was recently elevated from synonymy with the silver redhorse..."
Nelson, et al Common and scientific names of fishes from the United States Canada and Mexico. 6th ed. American Fisheries Society. Special publication 29
Virginia is close enough to SC you should have Fritz's book
#3
Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:33 PM
collapsus, Ptychostomus Cope [E. D.] 1870:471 [Proceedings of the American Philosophical Society v. 11 (no. 84); ref. 913] Neuse River, North Carolina, U.S.A. Lectotype: ANSP 6949. Paralectotypes: ANSP 6950 (1). Type catalog: Böhlke 1984:35 [ref. 13621], Gilbert 1998:177 [ref. 23395]. Lectotype designated by Fowler 1913: 57 [ref. 1388]. •Synonym ofMoxostoma anisurum (Rafinesque 1820) -- (authors). •Valid as Moxostoma collapsum (Cope 1870) -- (Gilbert 1998:177 [ref. 23395], Nelson et al. 2004:79 [ref. 27807], Scharpf 2006:11 [ref. 30386], Page & Burr 2011:333 [ref. 31215], Page et al. 2013:80 [ref. 32708]). Current status: Valid as Moxostoma collapsum (Cope 1870). Catostomidae. Distribution: Atlantic Slope, Virginia to Georgia, U.S.A. Habitat: freshwater.
I dont have access to the 2004 reference which is probably the one you want, but I found it one line for $14
http://www.jstor.org...=21102726361411
I can look up the Cope reference from 1870, it is probably available for free... but likely not as detailed as you want...
#4
Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:39 PM
http://www.biodivers...ge/481/mode/1up
#6
Posted 29 March 2014 - 04:09 PM
Just in case anyone is tempted to purchase it, the thing on JSTOR is just a 10 line mention of the book's existence. Not an article and not even a review. How they could charge for that is beyond me. The full text of what it says is:I dont have access to the 2004 reference which is probably the one you want, but I found it one line for $14
http://www.jstor.org...=21102726361411
Common and Scientific Names of Fishes from
the United States,Canada, and Mexico. Sixth
Edition. American Fisheries Society Special Publication,
Volume 29.
Edited Joseph S Nelson, Edwin J Crossman, Hector
Espinosa-Pe´rez, Lloyd T Findley, Carter R Gilbert, Robert
NLea, and James D Williams of the Committee on
Names of Fishes. Bethesda (Maryland): American Fisheries
Society. $60.00. ix + 386 p; ill.; index. ISBN:
1–888569–61–1. [CD-ROM included.] 2004.
#7 Guest_gerald_*
Posted 01 April 2014 - 10:33 AM
#8 Guest_Kanus_*
Posted 01 April 2014 - 07:54 PM
#9
Posted 01 April 2014 - 08:35 PM
Jenkins will know what to look for.
I have to ask, since I always do when someone posts a redhorse or other sucker I don't have many source images of, did you take any shots of the lips? I would like to get some closeups of notchlip mouths to compare with silvers and other redhorses.
#10 Guest_Kanus_*
Posted 01 April 2014 - 09:23 PM
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