If this is the case, and it is too shallow, do you have any recomendations for another fish species?
Edited by Bsandy101, 04 February 2014 - 12:58 PM.
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 12:58 PM
So I've been considering for a while what to add to the water portion of my paludarium, and right now I'm really digging the idea of a red fin pickerel....the only problem is, I'm thinking that my water won't be deep enough. The dimensions are 48"lx24"wx10"h.
If this is the case, and it is too shallow, do you have any recomendations for another fish species?
If this is the case, and it is too shallow, do you have any recomendations for another fish species?
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 01:14 PM
A mudminnow would be the next best option. They stay smaller and move much the same way. Investigate them as a possibility.
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 01:51 PM
OK, I was thinking more overall behavior (that sort of rotating fins, hovering motion and ambush predator style).
If you want a pointier nose and fins toward the back of the body, then maybe go with a Fundulus species... some stay smaller, but there are some that get bigger... not sure what you have in Maine, but I am thinking Fundulus stellifer
If you want a pointier nose and fins toward the back of the body, then maybe go with a Fundulus species... some stay smaller, but there are some that get bigger... not sure what you have in Maine, but I am thinking Fundulus stellifer
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 02:26 PM
I think 10" is enough depth for redfin pickerel. (That's water depth, not total tank depth, correct?) I often see small pickerels in plant beds along the shore just a few inches deep. Make sure the land part of the paludarium is sloped so that he can easily get back to the water if he jumps on land.
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 02:44 PM
Pickerel other than chain, are almost always in shallow water unless there is a lot of cover/plants in deeper water. I think a shallow water tank is ideal. A whole lot less room for upward momentum and a death jump.
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 10:53 PM
That's just the water portion. I *could* raise the water hieght more, but that would leave less room then everyone else. And all the foot print excepting a one to two inch space needed for makeing a shelf for the upper part is going to be aquatic.
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Posted 06 February 2014 - 11:57 AM
Not aquatic frogs. Prehaps tree frogs, and various small lizard species. As well as a small solomon island tree boa. If a few get eaten that is fine. It actually might help in keeping numbers low. Also having various small inverts in the terrestrial/ arboreal section. The only native would be the pickerel. Or the brook sicklebacks. Also expkoring the idea of an aquatic predatory amphibian.
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Posted 06 February 2014 - 06:08 PM
The 'aquatic predatory amphibian' will more likely than not get eaten if you are still considering the pickerel. From what I understand, many terrestrial herps are bad swimmers and may drown in the water section even without a pickerel to eat them.
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Posted 06 February 2014 - 07:02 PM
A large part of the fun is giving it a shot, and seeing what the outcome is. Earlier you were told by another not to keep a pickerel in less than what? A 125? I have had happy pickerel in a 30 long. So give it a shot, and give us feedback.
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Posted 07 February 2014 - 12:50 PM
If it's aquatic, I do not believe the snake will bother it. I also don't intend to just throw everything in there. Think of it as an evolution. Plants, inverts, fish, amphibians, reptiles . Before I add any fish, I want to make sure all my inverts are thriving and doing well. Or if they're not, why not, if there is anything I can do to fix it, or if in end they just can't adapt. There js a long enough period between the inverts and reptiles that by that point, I hope to have a good colony of diffrent species, going. Not to mention that the lizards in question ( being day lizards) are primarily nectivorious anyways. But also, with the pickerel, if it does predate on any fallen animals, then good for it. The lizards and frogs are there mostly for the tree boa, which is also knkwn to be a lizard eater. I'm not trying to keep everyone from eating eachother, but more finding a balance where I don't have to interfere too much with how the system works, when it all gets settled down.
(Also, sorry for writing such a book of a reply)
(Also, sorry for writing such a book of a reply)
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Posted 16 February 2014 - 08:46 PM
I love the idea of maintaining a balanced ecosystem, with animals from different biomes living with minimal interference. I worry that it will be hard to do, yet I encourage you to try it...but I wouldn't put my pet snake in with my fish and all. In order to keep breeding colonies of prey items living side by side with predators, you will need a lot of room. Small, heavy ecosystems are notoriously difficult to balance. You live in Maine, too?
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