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Started by Guest_cjohns_* , Mar 09 2014 10:17 PM

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#1 Guest_cjohns_*

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 10:17 PM

Went out today to to collect some creek rock for my new aquarium and stumbled upon these guys.Clear creek. Kentucky.

Edited by cjohns, 09 March 2014 - 10:24 PM.

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#2 Isaac Szabo

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Posted 09 March 2014 - 10:55 PM

First one is a fantail or related species (not sure exactly what you have over in KY). Second one may be a female rainbow.

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#3 Guest_Kanus_*

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 08:35 AM

First photo looks like one of those striped fantail darters you guys have out there in KY (they don't look quite like that here in VA) and the second is a female, either rainbow or orangethroat (or variant). I'm leaning away from calling it a rainbow due to the striping it seems to have on the side, but rainbows can be fairly variable too, so I'm not totally sure.

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#4 Guest_cjohns_*

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 01:10 PM

I thought the first wasFantail but he was very dark green on top and his markings were very dark as well. He was probably close to 3 inches.

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#5 Guest_cjohns_*

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 02:03 PM

After looking at my Peterson and another guide dont think it is a stripetail just do to my location. Bullitt co / Hardin co Zip code 40150

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#6 Guest_dac343_*

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 02:26 PM

In KY you can use http://app.fw.ky.gov...speciesinfo.asp, you can search via county or quad (usually nearest city). Might help you next time.

1.) I'm thinking Etheostoma flabellare
2.) I'll go with female Rainbow.

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#7 Guest_cjohns_*

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 02:52 PM

I have used this before excellent tool! Thanks.

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#8 Guest_fundulus_*

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 08:41 PM

A difference between stripetails and fantails is that stripetails have a distinct subterminal black band in the first dorsal fin. That fish doesn't and is the local flavor of fantail.

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#9 mattknepley

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 07:25 AM

I like the profile of the fantails, kind of a bad-arse look, especially for a darter.

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#10 Guest_cjohns_*

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 07:58 PM

I like the profile of the fantails, kind of a bad-arse look, especially for a darter.

Ha ha agreed. .they look aggressive.

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#11 Guest_cjohns_*

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 03:01 AM

Im having trouble determining if this is a orangethroat or headwater darter.

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#12 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 03:50 AM

Where is it from in KY? That will be a big help.

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#13 Guest_cjohns_*

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 01:14 PM

O sorry... same as the others on this page. Clear water creek. Runs into the Rolling fork in Bullitt county. 40150

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#14 Guest_blakemarkwell_*

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 08:03 PM

Anything in the Salt River system (such as the Rolling Fork) will be E. lawrencei (Headwater Darter).

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#15 Guest_cjohns_*

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 10:19 PM

Ok thanks.

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#16 Guest_jblaylock_*

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 09:23 AM

I think most, if not all, Orangethroats in the Green River system is E. lawrencei as well.

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#17 Guest_cjohns_*

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:12 PM

Anything in the Salt River system (such as the Rolling Fork) will be E. lawrencei (Headwater Darter).

I think most, if not all, Orangethroats in the Green River system is E. lawrencei as well.

Ok ill remember that. I need two take a good look at the peterson hand book. I was just going off of a more generic guide i have. ( pocketguide to Easter Streams) Its shows Orangethroat darters all over Kentucky. So Headwater darters are a subspecies of a orangethroats?

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#18 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 06:43 AM

no, not technically a sub-species any more. now they are a full species. orangethroats have essentially been split into several different species. so an old book might say they are everywhere, and a newer book would show an "orangethroat complex" that is made up of several species that look similar but are distinct in their own ways.

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#19 Guest_cjohns_*

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 02:32 PM

no, not technically a sub-species any more. now they are a full species. orangethroats have essentially been split into several different species. so an old book might say they are everywhere, and a newer book would show an "orangethroat complex" that is made up of several species that look similar but are distinct in their own ways.

I understand thanks.