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Posted 27 March 2014 - 01:48 PM

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 02:04 PM

Welcome :)

Everyone, this plant was collected in North Carolina, probably in the Yadkin river drainage.

I'm basing the drainage off this map of North Carolina's river basins, so correct me if I'm wrong, Ray: http://www.cgia.stat...s/rivbasins.pdf

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 04:14 PM

I assume you mean the plant in the front center with small 4-whorled leaves.
Looks like it may be one of the Galium species (bedstraw).

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 04:32 PM

That is what it looks like. Cleavers.

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 04:37 PM

Does that mean that it's not going to survive long term underwater?

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Posted 27 March 2014 - 04:39 PM

Also, from the USDA APHIS advanced search, the galium species found in North Carolina are:

Galium aparine
Galium asprellum
Galium circaezans
Galium circaezans var. circaezans
Galium circaezans var. hypomalacum
Galium divaricatum
Galium hispidulum
Galium lanceolatum
Galium latifolium
Galium mollugo
Galium obtusum
Galium obtusum ssp. filifolium
Galium obtusum ssp. obtusum
Galium odoratum
Galium orizabense
Galium orizabense ssp. laevicaule
Galium pilosum
Galium pilosum var. pilosum
Galium pilosum var. puncticulosum
Galium tinctorium
Galium triflorum
Galium uniflorum
Galium verum
Galium verum var. verum

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 10:33 AM

I live in Rockingham, Nc. I got it from a ditch by my road actually. And yes the one front and center with the tiny leaves. It has been in my tank for a little over a month. it is rooted and is growing so far.

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 11:56 AM

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 11:57 AM

Just got the new underwater phone so my pic isn't too clear,but I thought that giving a size reference might help.

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 12:08 PM

If this really is growing new tissue, then that means you've found a proverbial goose that lays golden eggs. There aren't any vendors for it that I can find, making it a rare and potentially quite valuable introduction to the hobby. Once you can ID it down to the species (I notice it has four leaves; that might help), you could list it on aquabid and be the exclusive provider of it. For example there wasn't anyone listing ricciocarpus natans, so I list it for $20 with free shipping and just let that auction repeat ad infinitum. Someone buys some, I ship them a scoop, I post the auction back up. Monopoly vendor means high demand, and that you're contributing something new and exciting that wouldn't otherwise be available without you.

Is the tank it's growing in heated? That's the one downside to some native plants; if they're heat intolerant they're hard to market to the tropical fish folk.

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 01:44 PM

I don't have a heater on it but the 2 plant light I have keep it well above 78.

Edited by rayray7825, 28 March 2014 - 01:45 PM.


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Posted 28 March 2014 - 02:17 PM

Like curly dock (Rumex), buttonweed (Diodia), Fesuce, Cardinal flower, Poison Ivy, and many other stream-side terrestrial plants that we find submerged when streams are running high, Galium can survive for several months under water and maybe grow a little, but doesn't really thrive long-term under water, at least in nature. Maybe in an aquarium with advanced life-support care you can do better with it. Galium species are very common over much of the US and I suspect other folks have probably tried the wetland ones in aquaria before. Long before the aquarium plant trade was big business, American aquarists experimented with anything they could find in their local streams, ponds and ditches. Granted, the technology back then was not what it is today, so some of their failed species from years past just might be growable today.

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 02:30 PM

That's true, a lot of the CO2 requiring plants we keep alive underwater now only died before CO2 injection was possible.
It's all about the new growth, Ray.

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 03:07 PM

I think you are wasting your time trying to grow Galium underwater. If we are correct in our ID, I know this plant well enough to say, It is not going to work long term.

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 03:16 PM

I will give an update later. so far it's growing roots all over and gaining height. It is even pearling. I do have a homemade co2 generator on it and a few fish.

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 03:37 PM

I do have a homemade co2 generator on it

aha. Future technology, now.
Make sure you write 'requires CO2' in your auctions when you sell this plant on aquabid. Have fun :)

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 03:39 PM

I hope this works out. If it does, it is certainly due to to the CO2 injector. I will be impressed. I have seen non aquatic plants survive and thrive submerged in springs. Presumably the cool water slows metabolism, and the steady high flow of water helps with gas exchange.




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