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Posted 01 April 2014 - 09:25 PM

Here are a few shots from last weekend in the Panhandle. The weather did not cooperate, I had one day to get in the water. I'm sorry for the image quality, this was the first time I was to use my new camera kit outside of a pool, there's a bit of a learning curve.

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One of the vents, there are three.

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The welcoming commitee.

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Face front mug shot.

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Face left mug shot.

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Pickerel, death in the shallows.

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Ditto.

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LMB

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LMB + nest, he was fearless.

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LMB + cooter

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Cooter hiding.

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Cooter exposed.

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Scenic

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Over/under of spring run.

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Unidentified, abandoned nest. This was strange nothing was guarding or predating the eggs.

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Redhorse, jumprock? I need a Florida sucker reference.

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 09:32 PM

Pretty sure the sucker is a spotted.

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 09:39 PM

agree with Dustin (which is an easy bet on a normal day but still scary on April fool's) that looks like the Minytrema melanops that I see in South Georgia.
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Posted 01 April 2014 - 09:50 PM

That looks like my local spotted sucker.

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 09:53 PM

What were the minnows with the chain pickerel?

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 10:01 PM

I want to sarcastically answer "lunch" but I also want to know the real answer... they look very orange to me.
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Posted 01 April 2014 - 10:42 PM

Red eye chub likely

#8 Isaac Szabo

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 11:00 PM

Great photos Bryce! I've been hoping I would get to see some soon. Sorry the weather didn't cooperate. Did you get to do St. Andrews? I know it takes some time to get comfortable with a new camera system, but how are you liking it so far? Judging by these photos, it looks like you're doing pretty well with it. It's impressive that you can get the wide angle shots and macro shots like the eggs with the same lens.

I agree that the minnows with the pickerel are likely redeye chubs. They are very common there. I think I might also see a Pteronotropis or two (the ones with a thicker lateral stripe).

The sucker looks like a spotted to me as well.

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Posted 01 April 2014 - 11:09 PM

I was thinking Redeye as well, but only a few of them seem to actually have red eyes. Still, I've been there a few times myself, and I know there's Redeyes there, so I'm pretty sure that's them.
They also resemble juvenile flagfin/sailfins, but it's kind of early in the year for those. ( to already be at this size, I mean; very young fry should start appearing very soon, though )

EDIT: By the way, these pics are really good! I wish I could take pics half as nice as these.

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#10 mattknepley

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 05:15 AM

Great stuff! Love that pickerel and the cooter in hiding.
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Posted 02 April 2014 - 06:43 AM

Thanks guys, I thought it might be a spotted, but I was to lazy to check my reference books. I'm pretty sure they are redeye chubs, I'll try to find one with reasonable focus and crop him out later tonight.

Isaac, no St. Andrews, the weather was bad. I'll pm you my thoughts on the camera later, but it is a fantastic system.

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 09:24 AM

I have seen Pteronotropis welaka at the city park.

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Posted 02 April 2014 - 06:14 PM

Great photos Bryce! My wife and I are taking a Florida Springs vacation later this year. Ponce De Leon was one of our possible targets. So some intel would be great. Were the bass, pickerel, and cooter in the outskirts of the "spring swimming area" or where they elsewhere in the water?

Isaac I'll probably be picking your brain at some point too. Those springs you and Casper went to looked pretty fun.

#14 Isaac Szabo

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 03:55 PM

They also resemble juvenile flagfin/sailfins, but it's kind of early in the year for those. ( to already be at this size, I mean; very young fry should start appearing very soon, though )


Hey Mysteryman, what's the best time of year to see sailfins/flagfins in their best color? You seem to indicate that they may have already spawned this year. Do they spawn that early? Do they have their best colors when spawning? Last year I snorkeled Ponce de Leon in May and October. I didn't notice any sailfins in May (they were probably there but just not colorful enough for me to notice). However, I did see some nicely-colored sailfins in October, though they weren't at their peak like I've seen in some photos. So, when is the best time to see them at their best, specifically in the springs (I'm only interested in seeing them while snorkeling).

Also, while I'm at it, when is the best time to see welaka in spawning colors in the springs? Again, I was in suitable locations in May and October last year, but I never saw any. I assume that May was just a little too early? Nearctic, what time of year did you see them?

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 06:31 PM

NIce.
Redeye Chubs fer sure. A tough and pretty little fish, they all seem to have the red slash above / through the eye. Common spring fish.. Suprisingly they survived several years in the cement pond. Spotted Sucker. Mystery eggs... looks like something would have enjoyed the free meal. Welaka there?... good to note. I can only recall being there twice, the first when i visited Robert Rice years ago. The last time it was more devoid of vegetation. A great way to start the snorkel year Bryce. I reckon you have beat us all to the water for 2014.
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Posted 03 April 2014 - 09:37 PM

Thanks Casper. Bring on the buffalo. I wish I had better images of the chubs, but since I wasn't targeting them I only have them as incidental/background images.

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 09:16 PM

Sailfins & Flagins don't really intensify in color at spawning time like most other shiners, keeping their good colors year-round. The male Sailfins will get longer fins, but that's about it.

No, I don't think they've spawned yet, although they might have. They usually wait until after Easter and the Easter Freeze that always comes right before it. ( the cold snap we're experiencing this very week, in fact ) It won't be long now, though. All they need are longer daylength and water in the 74F-ish temp. Sometimes they spawn in late April if Easter comes early, but mid-May is more the usual. That's only when they START, though. They'll spawn a few more times before it starts to get really hot in midsummer.

As for finding Sailfins in "full sail", yes, you'll have to wait a couple more months, or go much further south. Grandipinnis will still not be living up to it's name yet, but give 'em another 60 days and prepare to be dazzled.

Welakas get their full fins and full color depending on where you find them. If you find them in a big spring, where the temp is more stable, it takes them longer, until around late June/July.
In creeks, which warm up faster, you can sometimes start seeing terminal males in late May. You probably wouldn't want to try snorkeling in those muddy holes, though. You'd lose a flipper in the muck! LOL

EDIT: Note that the Easter Freeze has nothing to do with religion, but with the fact that Easter is tied to some meteorlogical/climatological/astronomical thing I don't understand, which is why it moves around the calendar evey year instead of always being on the same day. Fish don't have farmer's almanacs to read, but they someow seem to know what's what anyway. It's also why you don't plant anything until after Palm Sunday. Again, not a religious thing so much as a coincidence. Please don't have a spaz and start complaining about religion creeping into a fish discussion. :biggrin:

Edited by Mysteryman, 16 April 2014 - 09:29 PM.


#18 Isaac Szabo

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 11:06 PM

Thanks for the helpful information Mysteryman! Also, I tried to send you a PM, but it said you cannot receive any new messages. Is there another way to contact you?

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 09:52 PM

It said I can't have any messages? Hm.. My box must be full. Let me fix that right away.

Okay I'm back.. I deleted a ton of messages, but it didn't reduce the amount of space taken in my inbox. So.. my inbox is still slam full, even though it's really half empty. I ... don't get it.

My e mail is mysteryman @ centurylink .net ( without the spaces )

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 09:37 PM

You probably wouldn't want to try snorkeling in those muddy holes, though. You'd lose a flipper in the muck! LOL


That is not what flippers are made for.






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