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Calling all gurus...

Started by mattknepley , May 04 2014 04:35 PM

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#1 mattknepley

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Smack-dab between the Savannah and the Saluda.

Posted 04 May 2014 - 04:35 PM

...except the Hoodoo type.

My id-ing has been pretty poor of late, so I'm swallowing most of my pride and putting most of the stuff I sampled today up here.

The following are from Rocky Creek, (Santee drainage) behind the mall in Greenwood, SC. It is a small, shallow stream, much of it channelized just adjacent to where these were taken...

Snail bullhead, Ameiurus brunneus, correct?

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Hybopsis rubrifrons, H. hypsinotus, or both? Cain't see no barbels; and colors, body shapes, and snouts were all over the place.

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I really want to call the sunnie closest to the tip of my index finger a Lepomis marginatus; which although highly unlikely is not impossible based on range. The earflap, headshape, blue-dot belly stripes, and size of mouth are what's causing me to mis-id this 42-almond hybrid.

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Biggest tads I've ever seen. Could be a meal for a human,almost. Rana catesbeiana?

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These are from Big Curltail Creek, Abbeville County, SC. One stream, but also one drainage over. BCC is in the Savannah drainage.

Noturus insignis or N. leptacanthus? Barbel length and pattern seem no-doubt insignis, but body shape, especially from above (even in a crappy pic)and close examination shows tons of tiny insignis-like specks; but I suspect those tiny specks are me overconcentrating on the pigment of the fish...

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Notropis chlorolutimolliepleasepublishsoonae? (By drainage they "have to be" lutipinnis.)

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Gotta be Hypentelium nigricans, right? Was really reddish when it came out of the water, and the head from above doesn't seem right, though...

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Sasquatch, sbtgrfan?

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Thanks for the help. I'm needing it today...

Matt Knepley
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."

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#2 Guest_sbtgrfan_*

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 05:31 PM

I want to call the bullhead in your first pic a Yellow bullhead based on the all white chin barbels, I thought snails had dark or mottled barbels, but I could be wrong.

Hard to tell on your Hybopsis series. Rosyface would have barbels, however, and I don't see any.

I'm not even going to try with the sunfish because I know I'll get it wrong!

Your madtom from Big Curltail I'd call a margined. Speckled madtoms, at least from what I've seen, always be speckled like the picture in the fishes of SC book.

Awesome to see the yellow/green-finheads getting in color!

Definitely a northern hogsucker. Don't think we have anything else that has the saddles like that, unless the striped jumprocks do at some point?

A very sasquatchy looking picture, for sure!

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#3 Guest_Skipjack_*

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 05:48 PM

Do you have a local phenacobias? The madtom looks like a margined.

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#4 Guest_fritz_*

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 06:31 PM

bullhead is either flat or snail. looking at the relatively even edged anal fin I would go with flat. But better barbel photo would be the clincher. They did appear white - flat. Stephen - there is a faint blotch in the dorsal fin base and coloration is not yellow bull.

all minnows appear to be rubrifrons (except the lutipinnis of course)

definitely a margined madtom

the Lepomis by your index finger is a redbreast, others may be bluegills.

most likely a bullfrog

and yes a northern hog sucker.

you will be freaking out at the convention with all the diversity

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#5 mattknepley

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Smack-dab between the Savannah and the Saluda.

Posted 04 May 2014 - 07:03 PM

Thanks, all!

Do you have a local phenacobias? The madtom looks like a margined.

phena-whats?

Maybe these pics will help on the bullhead. They are such cute buggers!

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Fritz, my little pea-brain will probably explode at the convention. I mean, it can't even process redbreast sunnies...

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Matt Knepley
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."

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#6 Guest_sbtgrfan_*

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 07:13 PM

Hmm...I see the blotch you mentioned, I guess I expected something a little less subtle. Also, reading your book it mentions the snail doesn't have white chin barbels, which this one does, and it does have a dark maxillary barbel, which this one has bicolored, so thats gotta rule snail out. What's the difference in maxillary barbels of the flat and yellow? And just reading a little further, I see it mentions that yellow bullheads have longer anal fins than flats and it appeared to me that this one had a pretty long anal fin. I guess I need to look at some more pictures, side by side, to compare for future reference. I do see the body color difference though.

Edited by sbtgrfan, 04 May 2014 - 07:35 PM.

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#7 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 07:15 PM

Phenacobius is a genus of minnow... and no, we don't have any in SC or most of Georgia (except for the Coosa drainage part of NW GA).

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#8 mattknepley

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Smack-dab between the Savannah and the Saluda.

Posted 04 May 2014 - 07:16 PM

Definitely a flat, going by chin barbels. I am in some kinda slump. Had Fritz's book right in front of me and still couldn't get that call right when it's plain as day...

Thanks for the definition, Michael. I won't ever compare you to Yankee soup again. At least not on the forum, too soon...

Matt Knepley
"No thanks, a third of a gopher would merely arouse my appetite..."