Warmouth have holes in head?
Posted 19 May 2014 - 11:09 PM
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Posted 20 May 2014 - 09:30 AM
I've heard people check their water and get back to me and it was above 100. Yup, that'll do it. I try to keep my aquarium water at 30 ppm nitrate or less.
Posted 20 May 2014 - 12:38 PM
Posted 20 May 2014 - 01:03 PM
Posted 20 May 2014 - 01:46 PM
To avoid getting a poor diagnosis, it would be prudent that only people with pretty extensive experience with centrarchids comment.
Posted 20 May 2014 - 01:53 PM
I got freaked out by my L144 pleco's face holes yesterday. She was flaring them for some reason (probably a breeding thing?). Sort of unrelated but awesome: they say that the green things are eyeballs and the forward pointing holes are nose holes: http://weirdopedia.o...t-head-fish.jpg
Posted 20 May 2014 - 02:30 PM
Posted 20 May 2014 - 02:37 PM
... very rarely do they all express symptoms at exactly the same time. That warmouth was for some reason more susceptible than the others, or for some other reasons showed symptoms first. Perhaps it had a higher stress level than the others, was recovering from an injury the others didn't sustain, had a weaker immune response versus this particular assault, its symbiotic bacteria population was already greater skewed towards the negative species, etc. There's a lot of reasons why one goes first. It doesn't mean the others aren't also at risk.
Posted 20 May 2014 - 02:54 PM
Here is a picture of his face... I dont see any pores at all???
I am afraid that the holes may be normal just like Gerald mentioned. I have only kept one warmouth, and unless they are obviously something very irregular, I won't be of any help. Centrarchid, Gerald, and Brian Zimmerman, could probably steer you well. I don't know how much experience Michael has with them, but he currently has one in a tank to make a direct comparison. Maybe Michael could post a good photo of his fish. I know he wants an excuse to use his Go Pro.
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Posted 20 May 2014 - 03:11 PM
Posted 20 May 2014 - 04:55 PM
Posted 20 May 2014 - 05:54 PM
That oscar looks like something is obviously wrong, but they are not in a specific pattern like the OP described. Maybe Oscars have more facial pores that can become infected than Lepomis?
It's a gradual disease that starts with the holes and ends up taking over the entire head like this:
Photo by LA of http://aqualandpetsp... HITH Oscar.htm That link shows a fish heal from November to January. It looks much better after a few months of clean water.
Posted 20 May 2014 - 05:57 PM
Posted 20 May 2014 - 06:08 PM
Well, I mean, a lot of people keep oscars in ridiculously nitrate rich water. Factor in the sheer amount of oscars sold as juveniles in pet stores and the way they often end up being the only fish in their tank (a great way to lose the fishkeeper's interest). By the time they reach adulthood, a large number of them end up housed in dirty water because they refuse to die long after their owners have grown bored of them. Then the high nitrate gives them hole in the head. It doesn't help that people just assume "cichlid" means not-plant-compatible, which is untrue. Without plants or water changes, thousands of long lived, neglected oscars end up living in really nitrate rich water. This all leads to these readily available photos of oscars with hole in the head. I don't think it's only the fish species: it's also how common they are and how they're usually housed. I've yet to see an oscar housed in a tank I approved of, except the one in the Denver zoo. I once saw a solo oscar tank that was only half full because the water had evaporated, was totally yellow, and you didn't even want to measure its nitrate. It had no live plants in it and hadn't received a water change in months or years. That is both gross and boring.
Seems that oscars are highly susceptible.
Check out how the very same oscar healed after one month of regular water changes:
http://aqualandpetsp... HITH Oscar.htm
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