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Central mass: Laurel Lake, Quabbin, Prince River (no pics, sorry)


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Posted 30 June 2014 - 03:53 PM

I sadly have no photos, as my waterproof camera didn't arrive soon enough and I didn't want to risk getting my phone wet.

Friday I got the key from Erving state forest's ranger station, then after setting up my tent, did a bit of hiking at the federated women's state forest (out to The Gorge), and removed three unattached ticks from myself. Ah, ticks... None in evidence when I got home, so I appear to have gotten them all. Lovely views of the Quabbin, though!

I spent Saturday at Laurel Lake in Erving state forest. Morning I briefly snorkled until a lifeguard nearby got nervous because he couldn't tell if I was breathing through the snorkle or not (Could have sworn a ranger said I could snorkle, but I didn't go back up and find out precisely where). Saw a school of young yellow perch (identification based on memory and probability, as well as having caught one later while microfishing. Nearly touching front spined dorsal fin and behind it one without spines; probably 11 spines, if I recall correctly. Bands down the sides, orangish tinge to lower fins) who were all sorts of confused by me, a different school of single stripe small fish (ID unknown) also confused by me, and a couple of larger fish (2-3 feet long?) who were all 'what.. are you doing?' at me. No idea on ID for those, though. Also saw a million aquatic salamanders. Green with orange spots. Adorable, and not terribly afraid of people. :)

I then brought my inflatable kayak (best. investment. ever.) to the boat slip, inflated it with the car charger inflater, put my microfishing rod, containers, identification book, and water and a snack in it (as I later realized, minus... my line. And bait). Remembered sunblock for the tops of my legs, and had a baseball cap on. Went out, found out that a) there were even more salamanders, b) I had inflated the seat back too much and my life vest was trying to make me run away from the seat, and c) I had forgotten my lines and hadn't collected bait. Back to shore, gathered lines, snelled a few hooks using the lovely snelling tool from tenbum, attached a replacement tippet connector and weight to a line I had snapped the previous use (darned weeds), and collected some bait from the water near shore (a few dragonfly larvae, a couple damselfly larvae, and some sort of water bug that turned out to have a _nasty_ bite).

Caught the aforementioned probably young yellow perch (after a few of them kept almost getting caught, but getting away) and saw a number of larger fish which thankfully distained my small bait and hook. Rode a few wakes from a motorboat pulling kids on inner tube rides. Tried to catch other yellow perch. Tried to get what looked like young sunnies and the same single stripe smaller fish I mentioned earlier to nibble, but by that point I was basically out of bait. And I tried to put the waterbug on, which finally got fed up with me and bit/stung me, causing me to throw it away from me hard, which also meant it got free into the water. :) Was unable to collect more bait while still _in_ the boat, and realized I was hungry. Got out, realized I'd not managed to put sunscreen on the back of my neck (still red today), and that I'd been out there for 4-5 hours. I then let my kayak dry while I had food and collected some bait to try some shore fishing. Also to let my damp clothing dry off (trying to collect bait from in the kayak resulted in a bit of water on me. ;).

Tried some shore fishing, and realized that a) there was nothing visible from the places I tried, b) I managed to snag and lose a hook on overhanging brush, and c) I was actually quite tired at that point! So, back to camp.

Next morning, packed up, made an abortive attempt to fish at gate 2 of the quabbin (because I figured I should at least see it!) but had no cash to park. Got suggestions of where to go that did not require parking fees, failed _entirely_ to find any bait before I got there because I forgot and there are apparently no aquatic insects near shore where I looked. So instead I looked around, was confused by the quantity of white sand along the shores, saw what were almost definitely banded killifish, and decided that was enough. Pretty, but not being able to get into the water or use my kayak made it less fun!

Went back to Erving to return my key, then decided to try to find the ware river in Barre. Failed to find the Ware (I got tired of driving south!), but found prince river and what I now suspect were blacknose dace. Caught one with my dipnet (I have _no_ idea how I managed that); small fish that liked being near the bottom, with a single stripe down the body. Saw one nibbling at rocks, and when I returned to let the one I had caught go, found that it had jumped out (I had set the container down in the stream to keep the water temperature constant, so it didn't jump to its death). The description of their behavior from Inland Fishes of Massachusetts "When disturbed, Blacknose Dace quickly disappear under rocks, boulders, or logs" is actually the behavior that made me realize they were there! I was crossing the stream and saw movement. :) Wandered toward them, and as I got closer they would rush out of hiding and swim elsewhere. Pretty fish!

So, photos are missing, but it was great fun. I like Erving's lake, but I'm glad I didn't camp there. Federated women's club state forest was quiet, and I doubt Erving would have been. Also, cheaper. ;)

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 05:58 PM

Sounds fun. The nervous lifeguard story is classic Mass., I'd forgotten the state could be that nudgy.

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Posted 30 June 2014 - 08:34 PM

The 'manders are eastern newts: Fish don't eat them, so they're much less timid than any other salamander species. If you want to taste one to find out why, I'd love to hear your review. Newt abundance is one of the things I remember most about Quabbin (35 yrs ago)..

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 02:07 AM

True, eastern newts are apparently toxic from what i read and it makes them taste bad. Which is why their "juvenile" eft forms are bright orange. (juvenile in quotes as they can revert back to immature terrestial form).

I wonder if the biting/stinging bug is a backswimmer.

I am also curious on the stripey fish. They could be anything from creek chubsucker, to creek chub, to blacknose dace, to largemouth bass.

As for yellow perch, they are fairly unmistakable. I cannot think of any other freshwater fish in the region with those bold tiger stripes.

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 11:19 AM

Not to distract from your OP, but I'm curious what source stated that the newts "revert back to immature terrestrial form"? Once a red eft morphs into a fully aquatic, sub-adult they do not revert back to a terrestrial from--red eft or otherwise. Aquatic morphs can and occasionally do come out of the water to cross land/disperse. But it is usually after a rain event and/or at night when the risk of dehydration is greatly reduced. Unlike true terrestrial salamanders (Plethodontidae, Ambystomatidae, etc.), who live in moist environments [under logs and in leaf litter], mature RSN do not readily feed and certainly do not mate/lay eggs on land.

And btw, thanks for the teaser.....we all love pics to go along with a collecting trip report! Even though most of us have seen a BND a thousand times, I certainly still enjoy seeing fish pics. Maybe some hand sketched drawings next time? Thanks for the report.
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Posted 03 July 2014 - 11:45 AM

Not to distract from your OP, but I'm curious what source stated that the newts "revert back to immature terrestrial form"? Once a red eft morphs into a fully aquatic, sub-adult they do not revert back to a terrestrial from--red eft or otherwise. Aquatic morphs can and occasionally do come out of the water to cross land/disperse. But it is usually after a rain event and/or at night when the risk of dehydration is greatly reduced. Unlike true terrestrial salamanders (Plethodontidae, Ambystomatidae, etc.), who live in moist environments [under logs and in leaf litter], mature RSN do not readily feed and certainly do not mate/lay eggs on land.


I read it once years ago, I forgot the source. On seeing your comment I went to look up info on eastern newts and none mentioned that so it was likely wrong. Thanks for correcting me on it.

#7 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 05:11 PM

I thought I saw something similar Josh... in a class I recently took taught by a DNR representative... she indicated that there is some reports of transformations going forwards and backwards... I need to find the chart she showed...
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#8 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 05:23 PM

Here is a dissertation on-line, that shows the chart that I saw, page 8... kinda looks like they can go from anything to anything else :biggrin:

http://ufwildlife.if...stripednewt.pdf
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#9 littlen

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 08:25 AM

Where is the winged variety on that chart, Michael!? Then I'll be impressed! I am unfamiliar with the Striped newt. Granted, the US is the mecca of salamander diversity.....

I was referring to Red spotted/Eastern newts (Notophthalmus viridescens). All cool stuff none the less. I sure wish there was a morphing darter.

Now back to the original post....

Nick L.

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 01:03 PM

Sounds fun. The nervous lifeguard story is classic Mass., I'd forgotten the state could be that nudgy.


Huh! Good to know; I was quite surprised!

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Posted 07 July 2014 - 10:16 PM

Very cool, always been fascinated with this area.
I'm late to the party but would also like to welcome you to NANFA.... great to have another fellow New Englander.

....Morning I briefly snorkled until a lifeguard nearby got nervous because he couldn't tell if I was breathing through the snorkle or not (Could have sworn a ranger said I could snorkle, but I didn't go back up and find out precisely where).


Sounds fun. The nervous lifeguard story is classic Mass., I'd forgotten the state could be that nudgy.


Had no idea we are supposed to ask for permission to snorkel in freshwater?
I am a MA fugitive! The masked renegade snorkeler LMAO

Thanks for sharing

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Posted 08 July 2014 - 08:42 PM

Hi Heather!

I didn't know we were supposed to either. I asked the rangers for suggestions for where I could go, and was _shocked_ when I found out that 'can swim' didn't necessarily mean 'can snorkle'. Crazy.



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