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Posted 07 April 2007 - 04:47 PM

yesterday I went fishing out on lake greenwood forchannel cats and I went with a guide friend and we captured gizzzard shad for bait and I was wondering if they can be keept in captivity also we saw a pile of 15,20 pound channels on the shore and he said thats where some one with a trot line has captured over his limit and tosses the rest is that common around other lakes to? and I noted that white perch were larger fater and more common than yellow perch is that also common around lakes to?

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 02:12 AM

Well I do not know what a white perch is. I have never seen mass quantities of catfish tossed on the bank. And as far as the shad goes I can't say I have ever seen one or even know what that is either. But as for bait for catfish buy a few regular shrimp from you grocer or even better yet liver. The more it stinks the more catfish you will catch. I used to set trot lines with my Dad as a child. We would put them out in a like in Louisiana then in a little jon boat with a five horse motor with me in the front with a flashlight watching for stumps and logs we would run that line all night about every half hour. Then in the morning we would head home for a family catfish skinning.

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 08:47 AM

You sure those fish on shore weren't carp?

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 11:25 AM

You sure those fish on shore weren't carp?


*crosses fingers* I'm hoping they were.

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 01:37 PM

*crosses fingers* I'm hoping they were.

NO we got up close catfish every one of them channel and I think 1 blue cat

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 02:16 PM

NO we got up close catfish every one of them channel and I think 1 blue cat




Actually that is scary, What a waste of good fish.

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Posted 09 April 2007 - 08:58 PM

Well I do not know what a white perch is. I have never seen mass quantities of catfish tossed on the bank. And as far as the shad goes I can't say I have ever seen one or even know what that is either. But as for bait for catfish buy a few regular shrimp from you grocer or even better yet liver. The more it stinks the more catfish you will catch. I used to set trot lines with my Dad as a child. We would put them out in a like in Louisiana then in a little jon boat with a five horse motor with me in the front with a flashlight watching for stumps and logs we would run that line all night about every half hour. Then in the morning we would head home for a family catfish skinning.

shads free and shrimp would be to small
the smallest channel we got was 7lbs and the largest 24lbs 13oz
note: we were out fishing for guide finding(to find the fish so rich snobs who have never fished a day in there life can get good 10 and 20pounders really fast) not food but we did keep the small 7 pounder now that was some good catfish

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 05:08 AM

yesterday I went fishing out on lake greenwood forchannel cats and I went with a guide friend and we captured gizzzard shad for bait and I was wondering if they can be keept in captivity also we saw a pile of 15,20 pound channels on the shore and he said thats where some one with a trot line has captured over his limit and tosses the rest is that common around other lakes to? and I noted that white perch were larger fater and more common than yellow perch is that also common around lakes to?

Robert


Robert,
In SC, catfish are not considered gamefish, and I don't believe there is any limit on them except in a few, small, state managed lakes. Maybe they just caught more than they wanted to clean or maybe some were already dead so they tossed them.

Yellow perch don't generally get that large in SC. A white perch (Morone americana) is actually more closely related to a white bass (Morone chrysops), and striped bass (Morone saxatilis) than it is a yellow perch (Perca flavescens). Yellow perch taste better though. In Lake Murray, back when I was your age, my dad and I used to fish for white bass. They traveled in large schools and roamed open water. When you found a school, you could catch your limit very quickly. I would imagine white perch are similar in behavior. The yellow perch we caught tended to be more structure oriented and were never as numerous although we never spent as much time fishing for them.

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 09:21 AM

shads free and shrimp would be to small
the smallest channel was 7lbs and the largest 24lbs 13oz



My Dad and I used to buy bait shrimp at bait stores in Louisiana and catch catfish all night long with them. So I must disagree with you, shrimp are way big enough for catching catfish you want to eat. If you catch a catfish over ten inches long or so I would not want to eat it anyway. And I say again it seems you have little experience with fishing so I will tell you that large shrimp with a number 2 hook or in that range will catch you all the catfish you want to eat. I do not know why you would want to but to each his own. Catfish are bottom feeders and are the most poluted fish out there. But be my guest.

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 09:48 AM

I rise to the defense of catfish everywhere! Catfish are top of the chain predators. They just mostly hunt at night in muddy waters. I am sure that they are not averse to picking up a scavenged dead fish when the opportunity presents itself, but the same can be said of northern pike and others. Q: Why would younger bottom feeders taste any different than older ones? A: The diet is pretty much the same, so there must be some other reason. I have heard the same said of walleye: younger, smaller fish are better eating.

On a different note, white perch are considered invasive in Wisconsin. The same rules apply as for ruffe and round gobies: you can keep only one, to be presented to the DNR for identification/logging.

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 10:12 AM

OK, here is my take on why older fish taste bad. (And, yes, I am contradicting my earlier point.) Pollutants concentrate in fat cells, as fish age, they get more/larger fat cells. And, the higher you go in the food chain, the more concentrated it becomes. This is why top-of-the-chain predators often have consumption advisories. For example, salmon in the Great Lakes. However, I think that younger, smaller fish have always been favored eating over larger ones, so there is some explanation beyond pollutants in fat cells.

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Posted 10 April 2007 - 11:17 AM

OK, here is my take on why older fish taste bad. (And, yes, I am contradicting my earlier point.) Pollutants concentrate in fat cells, as fish age, they get more/larger fat cells. And, the higher you go in the food chain, the more concentrated it becomes. This is why top-of-the-chain predators often have consumption advisories. For example, salmon in the Great Lakes. However, I think that younger, smaller fish have always been favored eating over larger ones, so there is some explanation beyond pollutants in fat cells.


The dietary habits of fish do change as they grow. Small fish eat a higher proportion of insects, for example.

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Posted 11 April 2007 - 03:03 PM

I did not say that catfish were bad to eat because they taste bad. Catfish are scavengers. Pike, sunfish etc etc are not. Grant it they may eat a small portion of carion if the ocasion arrises. Back to my point I could care less how they taste. Catfish are scavengers, cleaners of the deep. The eat garbage. Again be my guest.

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Posted 11 April 2007 - 06:50 PM

Actually when it comes to toxins in the flesh, your top predators tend to carry more. It compounds as it moves up the food chain. A small fish takes in X amount of toxins. The fish that eats thousands of those small fish per year takes in all of the toxins that those small fish possess, and concentrates them.

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Posted 11 April 2007 - 06:52 PM

Also, to mention, Flathead catfish are very predatory. Not scavengers at all.

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 12:28 AM

I'd agree about catfish being quite predatory in nature, I have caught quite a few on lures, diving crankbaits in particular while fishing for bass or walleye/sauger. This guy is one such example caught on a artificial lure called a hot'n'tot...

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 05:13 AM

Also, to mention, Flathead catfish are very predatory. Not scavengers at all.

I seem to remember an article somewhere telling about how schools of blue cats follow schools of shad and herring in the Santee-Cooper lakes. It described people chasing the seagulls when fish started breaking the surface, in search of striped bass, but only catching blue cats. Doesn't sound much like a bottom feeder if it was true.

I have also read that catfish are considered NOT Kosher because of their "bottom feeder/scavenger" reputation.

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 09:33 AM

its the lack of scales, not bottom-feeding, that makes catfish non-Kosher. smoked carp is a traditional jewish delicacy.


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I have also read that catfish are considered NOT Kosher because of their "bottom feeder/scavenger" reputation.

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Posted 12 April 2007 - 10:43 AM

Since some seem to be guessing why catfish are considered "non kosher" it's because it is biblical. At least for those that do not eat them for that reason. Leviticus sets standards for eating. Again I am just trying to clear something up and I do not and will not go any further. But in Leviticus it says that anything that comes from the water and has fins and scales, "that you can eat". Any thing else is a no no, Jews mainly practice this, and some other religions practice that also.
For me, I eat anthing ( someone else ) will cook for me :razz:




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