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#1 Sean Phillips

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 06:15 PM

Caught this in a stream that feeds in to the allegheny river in Southwest PA. This is my first year seriously targeting suckers and it's definitely paying off. Looks like a Black to me but definitely some kind of Redhorse I think. I've caught a few Whites but primarily I catch Northern Hogs in this creek but like I said this is my first year sucker fishing so I don't know all the species of my creek yet.

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#2 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 06:39 PM

That is what I would have come up with. The only other similar shaped sucker with a similar mouth shape is a golden, and I am not feeling it.


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#3 Sean Phillips

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 06:41 PM

That is what I would have come up with. The only other sucker with a similar mouth shape is a golden, and I am not feeling it.


That's what I thought but the body color doesn't look right to me. Wish I could've gotten a better mouth shot but there was some dirt on the edge of my lens unfortunately.
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#4 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 06:48 PM

Me either. I have not seen enough of the two side by side to grasp the narrow vs. wide caudal peduncle either though.


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#5 Isaac Szabo

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 07:16 PM

It has way too many lateral line scales to be Moxostoma. I think it's a white sucker.



#6 Leo1234

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 07:23 PM

It has way too many lateral line scales to be Moxostoma. I think it's a white sucker.

+1. The shape looks like a white sucker to me.



#7 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 07:31 PM

It sure does have way too many lateral line scales. I honestly don't think I have ever seen a white sucker that big before. I know they get bigger, but I have not caught one. I thought about white sucker, but thought the fish actually seemed too robust for a white sucker. Neat.


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#8 Sean Phillips

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 07:55 PM

It sure does have way too many lateral line scales. I honestly don't think I have ever seen a white sucker that big before. I know they get bigger, but I have not caught one. I thought about white sucker, but thought the fish actually seemed too robust for a white sucker. Neat.


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#9 Sean Phillips

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 07:58 PM

It has way too many lateral line scales to be Moxostoma. I think it's a white sucker.


Dang, it would've been lifelister #40 for me. Guess I'll have to get down to the allegheny some time soon to try to catch some new Redhorses for myself.
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#10 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 08:24 PM

Well Sean, you should have known it right off looking at that photo.


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#11 Sean Phillips

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Posted 24 June 2015 - 08:29 PM

Well Sean, you should have known it right off looking at that photo.


Lol, the fish in the original post just looked way to odd colored for me to think of White. Definitely the most colorful white I've ever caught!
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#12 BenCantrell

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Posted 25 June 2015 - 09:16 AM

Males develop some pretty cool coloration when they're spawning.

 

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#13 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 25 June 2015 - 09:35 AM

That is awesome Ben!


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#14 Kanus

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Posted 26 June 2015 - 08:31 PM

White for sure. Those scales get mighty small anteriorly.

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#15 mattknepley

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Posted 27 June 2015 - 06:18 AM

Gotta agree with Matt D., that is a nice looking sucker, Ben.
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#16 Sean Phillips

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Posted 28 June 2015 - 06:35 PM

That's an awesome White, Ben! They look like that in the creek between my local lakes on spawn but they never hit anything when spawning, is there a speical secret bait or something? lol


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#17 BenCantrell

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Posted 28 June 2015 - 08:54 PM

No secret, it must be a timing thing.  The pre-spawn bite maybe?






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