Unknown Darter
#1
Posted 31 July 2015 - 02:13 PM
#2
Posted 31 July 2015 - 03:33 PM
When using photoshop can a fin clipping be attained?
Great pictures... my photos would add nothing.
That was a fun site.
I remember Dr. Roston suggesting a hybrid Log Perch something.
We will sure make it a project on my next visit.
Go fetch Roston and put him back in the water.
Chattanooga, near the TN Divide on BlueFishRidge overlooking South Chickamauga Creek.
#3
Posted 31 July 2015 - 03:39 PM
I see a slenderhead darter, but I admit I don't know anything about longnose darters.
#4
Posted 31 July 2015 - 04:28 PM
I have slenderheads locally. This is not my local slenderhead. Worried about snout length, I do not feel that this is as long as my Ohio drainage slenderheads. Longnose?
The member formerly known as Skipjack
#5
Posted 31 July 2015 - 04:30 PM
#6
Posted 31 July 2015 - 04:33 PM
I have slenderheads locally. This is not my local slenderhead. Worried about snout length, I do not feel that this is as long as my Ohio drainage slenderheads. Longnose?
Yes, the snout length seems to be one of the biggest issues. Longnose is supposed to have an even longer snout than slenderhead.
#7
Posted 31 July 2015 - 05:32 PM
The snout length on this fish seems shorter than my local slenderheads. Or at least comparable.I am puzzled. I am not good at ID's but it just does not look like my slenderheads. Longnose are very foreign to me.
The member formerly known as Skipjack
#8
Posted 01 August 2015 - 12:01 AM
I think it could be a Slenderhead with a smaller snout. Here is picture Uland Thomas took of a Slenderhead with an abnormally short snout: http://gallery.nanfa...ageViewsIndex=2
#9
Posted 01 August 2015 - 08:30 AM
Funny you brought that up Evan. Once when Uland was here he commented on how long nosed our slenderheads are.
He said "what? this is not my phoxocephala." And the photo is from his favorite local river.
The member formerly known as Skipjack
#10
Posted 01 August 2015 - 06:33 PM
Huh, very interesting. Regional differences or edge-of-range hybridization could both explain seeing very odd fish like this with some regularity. Maybe look at what species of darter, if any, are uncommon in the area or reach the edge of their distribution.
#11
Posted 01 August 2015 - 09:47 PM
I see some logperch like features in that fish. If I had to make a guess based off what you have told us I would say Longnose X Logperch. I think it is probably a hybrid of some sort.
Brian J. Zimmerman
Gambier, Ohio - Kokosing River Drainage
#12
Posted 02 August 2015 - 11:10 AM
Matt and Evan, from my research, I think the snout length is about right for slenderhead. I think that's why some of the professionals leaned toward slenderhead. However, I have a hard time buying that. Mostly because slenderhead is not supposed to be in that drainage, while longnose is. Also, to me the markings along the side look more like the bars of longnose than the blotches of slenderhead.
Brian, I was hoping you would weigh in. Like I said, Bob Hrabik reached out to a group of professional ichthyologists, many of whom are big names in the native fish field, and while there certainly was no consensus, longnose x logperch hybrid was the most popular opinion.
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