Alabama photos

I would like to start by letting all readers know that I can't take credit for these photos but I have the ability to post them and thought I'd share.

Ichthyomyzon castaneus Chestnut Lamprey
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Lepisosteus oculatus Spotted Gar
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Luxilus chrysocephalus Striped Shiner
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Nocomis leptocephalus Bluehead Chub
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Cyprinella gibbsi Tallapoosa Shiner
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Notropis baileyi Rough Shiner
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Notropis atherinoides Emerald Shiner
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Pteronotropis euryzonus Broadstripe Shiner
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Lythrurus bellus Pretty Shiner
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Macrhybopsis storeriana Silver Chub
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Notropis ammophilus Orangefin Shiner
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Notropis chrosomus Rainbow Shiner
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Phenacobius catostomus Riffle Minnow
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Pimephales vigilax Bullhead Minnow
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Semotilus thoreauianus Dixie Chub
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Notropis leuciodus Tennessee Shiner
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Semotilus thoreauianus Dixie Chub
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Hypentelium etowanum Alabama Hog Sucker
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Moxostoma poecilurum Blacktail Redhorse
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Erimyzon oblongus Creek Chubsucker
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Fundulus chryostus Golden Topminnow
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Fundulus catenatus Northern Studfish
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Cottus carolinae Banded Sculpin
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Lepomis miniatus Redspotted Sunfish
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Lepomis miniatus x L. punctatus
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Etheostoma tallapoosae Tallapoosa Darter (female)
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Percina palmaris Bronze Darter (male)
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Percina palmaris Bronze Darter (female)
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Etheostoma rufilineatum Redline Darter (male)
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Etheostoma artesiae Redspot Darter (male)
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Etheostoma jordani Greenbreast Darter (female)
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Etheostoma stigmaeum Speckled Darter (male)
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Etheostoma parvipinne Goldstripe Darter
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Etheostoma chuckwachattae Lipstick Darter
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Percina kathae Mobile Logperch
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Percina cf. macrocephala Muscadine Bridled Darter
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darter??
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Percina caprodes Logperch
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Etheostoma blennius Blenny Darter
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Etheostoma jessiae Blueside Darter
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Etheostoma ramseyi Alabama Darter
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Etheostoma duryi Blackside Snubnose Darter
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Etheostoma flabellare Fantail Darter
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Good lookin fish. What kind of lamprey is that?

Good lookin fish. What kind of lamprey is that?

Southern Brook lamprey Ichthyomyzon gagei

Youse guys got the full gammut, didn't you? That's 'bammy at it's finest.

Was the studfish stellifer or bifax?

And who took the pictures? That's the best euryzonus picture I've seen to date.

I'm heading thataway in a week and a half. Hope to get a lot of footage of these guys out IN the stream!

Didja go to Hillabee Creek? I really hoping to get some of those FIRED up bronze darter footage there. Any of the other cyprinella? Or just only a picture of tricolor? The Alabamas should be all bumpy and nice right now.

There any way for you to put the names in for these so people can see what they are? If things are in question, I'd be glad to help ID things. What I don't know, Dr. Neely will. These pictures are gonna make him so jealous he's gonna spit lol.

And if there's time for it, these really should be added to the gallery. These are great photos.

Todd

Wow, REALLY nice pics. Yeah, y'all were busy. I'm particularly envious of the Percina suttkusi, spent many hours out looking for those guys and have only gotten two... That may be the nicest photo of it I've seen.

Dang, that's enough to make me homesick...

Oh, and btw that second pic is a chestnut, not a southern brook lamprey.

Cheers,
Dave

Youse guys got the full gammut, didn't you? That's 'bammy at it's finest.

Was the studfish stellifer or bifax?

And who took the pictures? That's the best euryzonus picture I've seen to date.

I'm heading thataway in a week and a half. Hope to get a lot of footage of these guys out IN the stream!

Didja go to Hillabee Creek? I really hoping to get some of those FIRED up bronze darter footage there. Any of the other cyprinella? Or just only a picture of tricolor? The Alabamas should be all bumpy and nice right now.

There any way for you to put the names in for these so people can see what they are? If things are in question, I'd be glad to help ID things. What I don't know, Dr. Neely will. These pictures are gonna make him so jealous he's gonna spit lol.

And if there's time for it, these really should be added to the gallery. These are great photos.

Todd

The nondescript fundulus is catenatus and the euryzonus posed well.

Wow, REALLY nice pics. Yeah, y'all were busy. I'm particularly envious of the Percina suttkusi, spent many hours out looking for those guys and have only gotten two... That may be the nicest photo of it I've seen.

Dang, that's enough to make me homesick...

Oh, and btw that second pic is a chestnut, not a southern brook lamprey.

Cheers,
Dave

The logperch pictured is actually P. kathae. If it is in fact suttkusi, it was taken WELL out of it's documented range. The chestnut lamprey has a very spotty distribution across south central AL. THis, along with the approximate characters of the gagei, are why it was tentatively ID'd as gagei.

I second Todd's suggestion of adding in the names of these (common and scientific) below each pic (once you have them all worked out for sure) because I recognize some but certainly not all of them and I'm sure others would appreciate this too.

The logperch pictured is actually P. kathae. If it is in fact suttkusi, it was taken WELL out of it's documented range. The chestnut lamprey has a very spotty distribution across south central AL. THis, along with the approximate characters of the gagei, are why it was tentatively ID'd as gagei.

I'm not clear exactly where these pictures are from, but it could well be sutkussi that because the species exists surprisingly far north in Alabama, like the Bear Creek system if I remember correctly.

I'm not clear exactly where these pictures are from, but it could well be sutkussi that exists surprisingly far north in Alabama.

have to say I have never heard a gar being captured with a seine but theres first for every thing.

I second Todd's suggestion of adding in the names of these (common and scientific) below each pic (once you have them all worked out for sure) because I recognize some but certainly not all of them and I'm sure others would appreciate this too.

We'll get to that. Many of us are still sore from sampling and must add that I was out of town for 7 days...much work to catch up on. It was quite a task just editing photos and posting them. Tags will follow soon.

have to say I have never heard a gar being captured with a seine but theres first for every thing.

It wouldn't be a first... it takes some doing, and is easier if two seines are being used. It's kind of like catching a torpedo with a seine; think fast!

Wow, REALLY nice pics. Yeah, y'all were busy. I'm particularly envious of the Percina suttkusi, spent many hours out looking for those guys and have only gotten two... That may be the nicest photo of it I've seen.

Dang, that's enough to make me homesick...

Oh, and btw that second pic is a chestnut, not a southern brook lamprey.

Cheers,
Dave

Dave, I have three of these logperch. If you want to spend some time working on a positive ID, I would happily send one your way. PM me

Also to add, Richard now has these lamprey in his possesion, and I am sure will work out a positive ID in a jiffy.

I'm not clear exactly where these pictures are from, but it could well be sutkussi that because the species exists surprisingly far north in Alabama, like the Bear Creek system if I remember correctly.

Just from looking at the Boschung book, P. suttkusi is not found farther north than where the Coosa and Tallapoose split. We found the "kathae" far up in the Tallapoosa system.

The logperch pictured is actually P. kathae. If it is in fact suttkusi, it was taken WELL out of it's documented range. The chestnut lamprey has a very spotty distribution across south central AL. THis, along with the approximate characters of the gagei, are why it was tentatively ID'd as gagei.

OK, just to make sure we're all on the same page. There's two logperch pics posted; the first is awfully suttkusi-ish (that's an awfully short snout, and the bars aren't expanded at all); the second looks more caprodes-esque (with the first dorsal down, it's hard to tell if there's any orange band, but it doesn't look like it). If the first one is from the Tallapoosa drainage, then yeah, someone should take a closer look at it to verify ID. If you can get it to stay still enough in aquarium to get a LL scale count (or get it off of a high-res version of the original pic), that would likely work.

First lamprey pic looks like it could be Ichthyomyzon gagei (small oral disc), but I. gagei doesn't have big honking teeth and a broad disc like depicted in the 2nd pic...

cheers,
Dave

Dave is correct the Lamprey is a Chestnut Lamprey Ichthyomyzon castaneus. After he stated that I took a closer and better look at them. The small "adult" is no question a 1st year I. castaneus and not I gagei . The teeth are very well developed and sharp. The oral disc is smaller than I'm used to seeing on CNLP but still larger and not smaller than the Diameter of the fish.
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First lamprey pic looks like it could be Ichthyomyzon gagei (small oral disc), but I. gagei doesn't have big honking teeth and a broad disc like depicted in the 2nd pic...

Actually same fish Dave..First pic distorts the disc a lot.

have to say I have never heard a gar being captured with a seine but theres first for every thing.

Thats the second best way to Catch them... Some of us have made an art of it (Uland)There is nothing quite like a seine full of Toothy ganoid scaled fish though to wreck a seine in a short time though....

We'll get to that.

I hope that didn't sound unappreciative for time already spent or pushy Uland. That definately wasn't what I wanted to convey, if I did

Todd

Had some time to take some pics last night. It is a little blurry, but the best I could do with my ghetto setup.

Lipstick darter, Etheostoma chuckwachatte

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P.S. The photo tank is not ghetto, just everything else

The unknown darter above, "darter ??", is probably a blackside darter, Percina maculata. They're extremely common, especially in areas like the upper Tallapoosa. They're also a variable species in coloration, although the one pictured looks about typical.