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NOT Moxostoma sp. - White Sucker instead


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#1 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 07 April 2016 - 09:11 PM

We caught this fish in Johns Creek, a direct tributary of the Chattahoochee just on the north side of Atlanta.  I'm thinking Apalachicola Redhorse (Moxostoma sp.) based on the location and the mostly grey tail.  I have never seen one before, but it looks to be about the only possibility by the range map.  What do y'all think.

 

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#2 UncleWillie

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 07:06 AM

Here's a little hint.  Look at all those super crowded, smaller scales up near the front of the body.


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#3 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 07:57 AM

No way. Really? I saw some in another stream but they were in breeding color. And I never saw that in this one. Now I feel dumb.
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#4 olaf

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 09:47 AM

Dang! I was so excited to see photos of Apalachicola Redhorse. Then scrolled down to the photos.

But it's OK. All you have to do is get out there and find some of those redhorses to cure our collective disappointment.


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#5 gerald

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 10:07 AM

For those not-in-the-know, the smaller crowded scales toward the front indicate Catostomus, not a Moxostoma (redhorse), and the only Catostomus in GA is the white sucker - a neat fish in it's own right but common and rather boring to "suckerphiles".


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#6 smbass

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 10:54 AM

Still a good catch in a seine to get a hold of one that large. They can get big, we get massive ones that run in enormous numbers out of Lake Erie into tributaries this time of year in Ohio. The bottom of pools in streams that are clear enough to see in looks like it is moving because it is solid white suckers. Sometimes you can't even see the substrate. Fun dragging a seine through and they bounce off your legs and run all over the place too while walking through them. 


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#7 UncleWillie

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 11:19 AM

These guys got introduced to the Chattahoochee drainage and show up in a lot of the streams in the Atlanta metro area.  For the most part, the only suckers I see in these areas are hogsuckers, and white suckers, with the occasional greater jumprock.  I'm sure Apalachicola redhorse are there, but I just haven't seen them til I get into the bigger waters.

Olaf, I have several photos of Apalachicola redhorse / grayfin redhorse from this winter if you are interested.  Not very high-quality, and all fish are in hand, hovering over a live-well.


Willie P


#8 loopsnj64

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 02:05 PM

Well
I have a juvenile white sucker (currently 4 inches head to tail)
Now that I see the size of this guy
I am slightly concerned (It will get big, but there also so passive toward other fish that I doubt it will be a big problem)


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#9 FirstChAoS

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Posted 09 April 2016 - 12:41 AM

I once witnessed them spawning, it's neat how their sides can flash bright orange.

#10 Sean Phillips

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Posted 09 April 2016 - 03:53 PM

That's a nice looking White nevertheless. As others have said they'll get much larger then that too, my personal best for angling was a 21.25" fish and that's still not a monster.
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#11 smbass

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Posted 10 April 2016 - 06:57 PM

White suckers really are quite plastic as far as adult size goes. In smaller streams you can find adults in spawning color at only 6-8inches. I doubt in an aquarium they will really get much larger than that or maybe in a big tank 10-12".


Brian J. Zimmerman

Gambier, Ohio - Kokosing River Drainage





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