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#1 Casper

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 02:14 PM

In lighthearted fun of the recent identity blur photo postings...

 

 

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I was in the creek behind my house this morning... very murky, filming with the FWI guys in the early light.  Visibility was about 18", Grope Snorkeling i call it.  As soon as i placed my face in the rushing flow i saw racing white flashes appear and snapped about 30 shots trying to catch them.  At one point there were 3 males sparing, flaring and circling below me.  One kept pecking at my camera lens.

I want to go back with a net and photo tank but i need help to hold the seine.  These are a privilege to see.

 

What are they?  Latin name first.

 

The first NANFA member that tells me true i will send a pack of NANFA decals to.  One guess per member.  Make it count!

 

I will not respond until i see the correct answer posted by a NANFA member.


Edited by Casper, 22 June 2016 - 02:51 PM.

Casper Cox
Chattanooga, near the TN Divide on BlueFishRidge overlooking South Chickamauga Creek.

#2 dredcon

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 02:35 PM

Cyprinella galactura maybe

#3 lilyea

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 02:59 PM

Cyprinella whipplei?

#4 Dustin

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 03:42 PM

I agree with Bruce.  I think they are whipplei.


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#5 Doug_Dame

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 03:44 PM

I agree with Bruce, I think they're Cyp. whipplei, steelcolor shiners.

 

(edit: Dustin apparently types faster than me! I agree with Bruce & Dustin.)


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#6 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 04:45 PM

Cyprinella galactura maybe


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#7 keepnatives

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 05:20 PM

Cyprinella spiloptera although I 'm pretty sure they're whipplei but that was taken.  


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#8 fundulus

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 06:08 PM

I don't see even a hint of milky white lobes at the caudal base that would be glaringly obvious in a fully mature galactura, so I'll go with whipplei as the best bet.
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#9 Doug_Dame

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 06:56 PM

I don't see even a hint of milky white lobes at the caudal base that would be glaringly obvious in a fully mature galactura, so I'll go with whipplei as the best bet.

 

That. Lot of yellow in the fins, And there's a hint of redness near the nose, which Peterson's shows for whipplei. Per the range maps, there's a number of Cyprinella NEAR Casper's corner of the world, but only a couple that look like they'd actually include South Chicamauga Creek. Given the fuzzy photos, the range maps are important.

 

Fun little quiz, Casper.


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#10 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 07:47 PM

Those are whipplei.


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#11 BenCantrell

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 08:31 PM

I'm just going to throw this out there, don't be hatin', but maybe it's whipplei.



#12 mattknepley

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Posted 23 June 2016 - 05:02 AM

Whipplei x galactura hybrid. What? Only Lepomis get to have all the fun? ;)
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#13 Casper

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Posted 23 June 2016 - 10:33 AM

We got a lot of smart NANFA Fishheads amongst us.

:)

I first saw this fish years ago while seining behind Hooters and Gooney Golf, its the Gooniest.  A red nosed beauty in the net.  I figured this one by carefully studying Peterson's and Etnier's.  Looks a bit like a Spotfin which is also common around here but the rednosed males are the deciding clue.

I have seen them just about every time i lay in the rushing water behind my house, during this time of year.

 

Yes Whipplei, ain't that fun to say.  Galactura, another great name, are common but start looking their best a bit later in the year, and often into early fall.  They have the distinct white caudal base as is attested to by their common name.

 

Hats off to the true identifiers and to the close guessers as well.

 

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Casper Cox
Chattanooga, near the TN Divide on BlueFishRidge overlooking South Chickamauga Creek.

#14 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 23 June 2016 - 12:14 PM

Mr. Whipple says, please don't squeeze the shiner.
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#15 gzeiger

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Posted 24 June 2016 - 04:52 PM

Lepomis cyanellus, 99% sure.



#16 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 24 June 2016 - 07:34 PM

Rummy nose. Steelcolor.


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