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[Josh Blaylock]

Somebody posted this on the NANFA Facebook.  So far, it may be the only good thing to come out of that group.

 

This is a pretty sold poster design...no, I have reference checked all the fish, but I like it.

 

 

 

Not too shabby for $38

https://www.popchart...fish-of-america

[olaf]

Some odd size decisions. I don't know what their size criteria were, but they say the fishes are "to scale." Would have though they'd go with maximum size or average size. I know each group is scaled differently, but there's some pretty crazy stuff going on. For example the sunfishes (see https://gearjunkie.c...-charted-posterfor a closeup of that portion): I've never seen an orangespotted sunfish bigger than a smallmouth bass. And why is grass carp smaller than some of the dace around it?
But it's the only poster I've ever seen outside of my own mind that has all or nearly all the suckers, and that saves me some serious time.

[Matt DeLaVega]

I bought one yesterday.

[Matt DeLaVega]

Obviously not true to scale, like you mentioned Olaf. But I will live with that.

[FirstChAoS]

Why is the Sacremento Perch on their twice? Once with the sunfish, and once hiding between the minnows and suckers.

[Matt DeLaVega]

Why is the Sacremento Perch on their twice? Once with the sunfish, and once hiding between the minnows and suckers.

 Because they screwed up? It is not the same illustration, so the one with the suckers must be labeled incorrectly. How in the heck did you even notice that?

[olaf]

Sauger seems to be missing, but they included the not-an-actual-fish "pike-perch" instead, and it doesn't look to me like it's meant to be Sauger (and pike-perch is usually meant for Walleye or Zander anyway).

[Matt DeLaVega]

Probably made in China.

[lilyea]

Probably made in China.

 

I am not sure how this comment is helpful, appropriate, or inclusive.  Please reconsider the post.

[Matt DeLaVega]

Sorry if my joke offended you, and this may or may not be manufactured in China. But does anyone consider the low quality of Chinese made products as a slight on Chinese citizens? It is representative of Chinese manufacturing. It is common knowledge that most of their products are of low quality and may contain any given poison. I am not racist in any way, nor was my comment, simply a common joke that is heard almost daily. In fact I was making fun of the joke as much as anything. If you knew me or were sitting next to me you would have gotten the context.

[lilyea]

Thank you for your gracious reply.  Although I disagree with your proposition, my concern wasn't with you, your belief system, or the context in which you sent the message.  My concern is with how the message that you presented may have been received by others.  Like you, I have been a member and actively involved in NANFA for many years and am passionate that our message about native fish is positively received by as wide of an audience as possible.  

[Matt DeLaVega]

I fully agree, and I addressed your other issue in it's entirety. However, a bit of joking here and there is not the end of the world. Years ago we were(forum staff) chastised for controlling too much. Allowing nothing but complete on topic discussion, etc. Compared to Nazi's a few times I believe. It is tough to find a mid point, and I am one who likes to joke around a bit. We do a good job keeping the balance, but never will we please everyone all of the time.

 

When people keep criticizing a really neat poster for it's inaccuracies, in a friendly and somewhat joking manner, and I say what was intended, but apparently not well conveyed, "Probably made in China", Most people get the joke. We hear it everyday. Some of it is even backed up unfortunately. Largely by their lack of regulations. We all have seen the stories in the news of lead in childrens toys, melamine in dog food, etc.

 

 Again, sorry if the comment concerns you, but I am more concerned about the forum becoming so stiff again that every other fish forum out there has continual talk about how we are absolute elitists, and how the moderators on the NANFA forum are terrible. This was the case several years ago.

 

  I hope that I have satisfied your concerns in one way or another. Thanks for your input. 

[Casper]

Though the illustrations are simple they are cartoon cute.  I found several of the rare fish of Tennessee included.  Yellowfin Madtom, Amber Darter and Laural Dace.  Ain't no ConaLoggie though.  

A bit pricey but nifty if you have wall space to post it.

Why is a Bullshark, Stingray, Tarpon on a Freshwater Fishes poster?  Because they can tolerate freshwater for awhile?  And surely all those fish in the upper right corner are not native?

A bit disappointed in the Redline and Tangerine illustrations but then those are favorites i know quite well and the artist probably not.  That is a lot of work for an artist and they all appear to be done in the same style, thus likely the same artist.

That would make a great auction item for MO NANFA 2017 if someone can talk them out of an additional poster during an order.

[Josh Blaylock]

 And surely all those fish in the upper right corner are not native?.

I thought about that too, but it doesn't say Native, so I guess they can get away with it.

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[olaf]

I alerted them to the missing Sauger and I think they're fixing it.
They wanted to make it as complete as possible (which is why Mexico and Canada aren't included). I can't see how they'd be able to keep up with newly split or described species, so I would expect it to just be mostly complete.
Interesting that they included some salt/fresh species, but not all. I would have expected to see Hardhead Catfish as they're all over in fresh water in FL. Certainly more common than sawfish.
The people making it are in the US, but I don't know where they're doing the printing.
It's definitely not meant to be natives only--lots of invasives are included.

[Evan P]

Why is a Bullshark, Stingray, Tarpon on a Freshwater Fishes poster?  Because they can tolerate freshwater for awhile?

I actually have read a decent bit about a possibly entirely freshwater population of Atlantic Stingray. Maybe I will finally write up an AC article on it.

[UncleWillie]

Okay, I didn't want to say anything when this was first posted, but now that others have voiced opinions, I'll chime in.  Overall, I was pleased with the diversity and the inclusions of so many species (the lampreys, the suckers).  I'm assuming a lot of these fish are some type of render from photographs (e.g., robust redhorse).  I have a few criticisms, though.  I understand many of the sharks and rays, and I understand introduced species like cichlids and tilapia, but are gouramis established in N.A.?  The freshwater drum cracked me up, though.  I think they got triple tail and freshwater drum confused.