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[FishyJackson]

Caught a bunch of these today in the Peconic.  Was convinced they were all juvenile Eastern Creek Chubsuckers but I've managed to confuse myself.  The last 2 pics look more like a Bridle Shiner to me now.  Can someone confirm that the first 3 pics are juvenile Creek Chubs, and then if the last 2 pics are of Creek Chub as well?

 

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[Mike]

Mouth looks wrong, so it is not a Eastern Creek Chubsucker.

[FishyJackson]

interesting.. their mouths seemed to jut out a little bit, seemed suckerish.  

 

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looking at this that I found on internet, possibly another couple identifying features?  Scale size seems bigger on my fish, and also the dark band on my fish, where it ends at the tail, it stays same size or maybe even gets smaller, while on the juvenile chubsucker below the dark band expands at the tail where it ends and gets wider.  

 

 

 

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[gerald]

They are definitely Notropis shiners of some kind - NOT creek chubs (Semotilus) or creek chubsuckers (Erimyzon).

Look at the dorsal fin shape, # of rays, and position of anal fin (would be farther back on a sucker).

I dont know which other Notropis are in that area, but bridle shiner looks like a good guess.

[FishyJackson]

Mike/Gerald thanks, bridle shiner it is .  The enthusiasm is unbridled 

[Dustin]

Any time you catch a bridle shiner, it's a good find.  I agree with Gerald.  It's definitely not a chub or sucker and bridle shiner looks right if it's in the area.

[FirstChAoS]

Aren't Bridel Shiners protected? Or is that just up here.

[Dustin]

They are down here too.  

[FishyJackson]

Any time you catch a bridle shiner, it's a good find.  I agree with Gerald.  It's definitely not a chub or sucker and bridle shiner looks right if it's in the area.

 

Didn't realize the Bridles are relatively rare, they seemed to be in good numbers in that one spot at least.  These Eastern Creek Chubsuckers will be a damn good find if they are ever found, they seem quite elusive 

[fritz]

They are pretty widespread in NY.  Check out distribution in the new NY book

[FishyJackson]

They are pretty widespread in NY.  Check out distribution in the new NY book

 

Hey Fritz I shouldve been more specific, I meant find them on Long Island.  They're only in the Peconic River system.  There's a few rare fish in the Peconic like Banded Sunfish and Swamp Darter, but I'm thinking maybe all these fish are in the very upper portion of the river which I don't think I can access.  

[gerald]

An easy way to ID baby chubsuckers (without even lifting them out of the net) is the pattern on top of the head: Look for a mid-dorsal LIGHT stripe bordered by a darker stripe on each side.  This works on chubsuckers that are small enough to confuse with shiners.  They lose it as they get bigger.