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Bluestripe Darters: does ANYONE have photos (ideally spawning male)


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#1 olaf

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Posted 28 February 2017 - 07:40 PM

I'm working on some Missouri-specific art for the convention/auction, but I'm having a tough time finding any photos of the MO-endemic Bluestripe Darter (Percina cymatotaenia) other than one excellent Lance Merry photo. That's of (I think) a male, but it's not in breeding condition so looks very similar to a female, with some differences in fin size. I'd love to know what they look like when colored up, and the art would probably benefit.
Whatever images I can find--if any--will only be used for reference, and won't be shared or posted anywhere.
Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
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#2 Isaac Szabo

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 04:59 PM

I don't have access to my copy of Fishes of Missouri at the moment, but if I remember correctly, it includes a cool photo of breeding bluestripe darters. Apparently, the male develops a striking barring pattern during spawning that is quite different from its normal coloration. It would definitely be worth seeking out if you're going to do a bluestripe darter art piece.



#3 itsme

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 08:48 PM

Do you have Bob Hrabik's contact?  Let me know if you need it.  I think he authored the MO book.



#4 Isaac Szabo

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 11:01 PM

Bob is working on a new Fishes of Missouri book (not yet published). William Pflieger authored the one I am referring to (specifically, the second edition).



#5 olaf

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 12:58 PM

Bob doesn't have a breeding male Bluestripe photo either.

I didn't even look in my Fishes of MO (may be the first edition). I don't know why. I guess I was seduced by the idea that any image that exists is on the web. Shame on me. I also just realized I didn't even look in my Peterson's guide. Pretty dumb.


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#6 itsme

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 01:15 PM

Yeah, I know for a fact that there is a _ton_ of older stuff that was never posted to the web.  There are guys with huge photo archives that will likely never see the light of day... mostly just because of the size of the task.



#7 olaf

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 01:41 PM

I know. It's crazy how much information and creativity we will lose without knowing it existed, AND how much we will generally believe we got almost everything. I have a ton of 16mm movies made by a long-deceased machinist in Berwyn, IL. I never met him, but bought about half his films at an estate sale. Should have bought them all. Didn't buy the box of reel-to-reel tapes with the soundtracks, thinking that the sound had been added to the films. Many are fishing trips all over the place, others seem to be old (VERY old) fishing films he bought. His son, who was himself old at the time, told me he remembered sitting in the kitchen blowing bubbles in water with a straw when his dad needed sound effects for a creek. I preserved some of this guy's work, but not even half. And if I have no way to view it (my 16mm projector died before I watched most of them) or convert it, have I actually saved it?


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#8 itsme

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Posted 03 March 2017 - 03:54 PM

I know. It's crazy how much information and creativity we will lose without knowing it existed, AND how much we will generally believe we got almost everything. I have a ton of 16mm movies made by a long-deceased machinist in Berwyn, IL. I never met him, but bought about half his films at an estate sale. Should have bought them all. Didn't buy the box of reel-to-reel tapes with the soundtracks, thinking that the sound had been added to the films. Many are fishing trips all over the place, others seem to be old (VERY old) fishing films he bought. His son, who was himself old at the time, told me he remembered sitting in the kitchen blowing bubbles in water with a straw when his dad needed sound effects for a creek. I preserved some of this guy's work, but not even half. And if I have no way to view it (my 16mm projector died before I watched most of them) or convert it, have I actually saved it?

 

Don't know if any of this stuff can ever be permanently saved!  Requires constant maintenance!  I guess digitizing and posting to multiple servers is one, low input technique.



#9 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 04 March 2017 - 07:40 PM

there are some places on line that can convert stuff, but it is not always inexpensive.  I have done some stuff for old 16mm movies.


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#10 WheelsOC

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 08:44 AM

Sounds like a good project for crowd-funding?

I'm imagining a Kickstarter/Indiegogo/GoFundMe to set up an online database of digitized material preserving photos of native fishes. Whoever maintains the NANFA gallery probably has the experience needed for the site itself, so what would be needed is monetary compensation for someone to contact likely sources and work out agreements to digitize and host the photos for preservation and educational purposes on a full-time basis.

 

It might also be beneficial partner the effort up with sites like fishbase.org to pad out their supply of images. In a round-about way, that would help ensure there are images of bluestripe darters available rather than placeholders. Though looking at the Search page I see fishbase is also about $200K behind their funding target for the year.






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