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#1 Redfin Shiner

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Posted 14 May 2017 - 10:06 AM

Ever since I was a kid I've loved fish, and just recently got into native fish, but there are some kind of laws in new york that you can't bring fish other than game fish or baitfish home. There are so many details in fine print though, like private property vs. public property, or how far into water private property extends, or what counts as green-light baitfish or as gamefish. There's so much fine print and loopholes it's crazy, so what's the way to get fish from NY state to keep in aquariums?



#2 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 14 May 2017 - 11:42 AM

You might not be able to do it... but you might still be able to keep certain natives from neighboring states... I'm sure some others will speak up here, but that might be the easiest way to think about it from what I have heard.


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#3 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 14 May 2017 - 11:46 AM

So far as we know(meaning forum members), there is no legal loophole. Search the forum, there have been other threads on this exact topic.Maybe Mike Lucus or Scott Schlueter will see this and chime in. It appears that you can keep native fish as long as they are not native to New York. You can't keep central stoneroller, but legally could keep largescale stoneroller. I probably wouldn't, as you would need to prove that they were largescale stonerollers in court, and that may not be so easy.

 

 Really the best advice anyone could give you is to talk to the DNR or whatever it is called in NY, ask questions and follow the law to the best of your understanding.

  Make sure you get your info from the top of the food chain, not a random game warden, or the secretary who answers the phone.

 

These laws are unfortunate as they affect the wrong people more than the target individuals. Hey, you still have the freedom to move to another state with friendlier laws regarding native fish keeping.


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#4 Redfin Shiner

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Posted 14 May 2017 - 12:27 PM

So far as we know(meaning forum members), there is no legal loophole. Search the forum, there have been other threads on this exact topic.Maybe Mike Lucus or Scott Schlueter will see this and chime in. It appears that you can keep native fish as long as they are not native to New York. You can't keep central stoneroller, but legally could keep largescale stoneroller. I probably wouldn't, as you would need to prove that they were largescale stonerollers in court, and that may not be so easy.

 

 Really the best advice anyone could give you is to talk to the DNR or whatever it is called in NY, ask questions and follow the law to the best of your understanding.

  Make sure you get your info from the top of the food chain, not a random game warden, or the secretary who answers the phone.

 

These laws are unfortunate as they affect the wrong people more than the target individuals. Hey, you still have the freedom to move to another state with friendlier laws regarding native fish keeping.

Well, from what I can tell you can keep certain species if they're greenlight baitfish. I've heard of guys that trap lot's of fish in this marsh, and the dec constantly checks up on him. Here's  the link:   http://www.eregulati...sh-regulations/



#5 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 14 May 2017 - 01:15 PM

Well there appears to be quite a few interesting species that are possible if I am understanding this. Encouraging.


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#6 keepnatives

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Posted 14 May 2017 - 06:51 PM

Green list bait fish purchased for angling if certified may be transported and used as bait in any state waters where live bait is allowed.  So if no other laws existed it might be possible to have in possession the green list species purchased and certified.  You would need the receipt which details  date, species,  numbers and sellers name. If lost they become uncertified.  Uncertified fish collected personally can only be transported within set corridors. 

 

But the key problem is a environmental prohibition from keeping any species native to New York state whether collected in or out of NY.  That law cannot be superseded by fish and game laws.  All in all it's quite confusing so you may be able to speak with your local/regional DEC official and get a different answer but if so get it in writing or at least their name and contact info.


Mike Lucas
Mohawk-Hudson Watershed
Schenectady NY

#7 Josh Blaylock

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 11:31 AM

Here's the loophole:  Join NANFA and come to the 2017 Convention...... :)


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#8 Redfin Shiner

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 12:20 PM

Here's the loophole:  Join NANFA and come to the 2017 Convention...... :)

I wish I could... really would want to go. Hopefully I can go in a couple of years with some NY fishes!





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