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#1 JasonL

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Posted 04 July 2017 - 06:22 PM

Sampled a drainage canal adjacent to the Ohio River today and took a few pics. Area was fairly unremarkable aesthetically but decent diversity lurked underneath. Got around 14 species in just under an hour with just a dipnet in this small pool probably only a few feet deep at most.
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Species obtained included longnose gar, largemouth bass, bluegill, brook silversides, western mosquitofish, blackstriped topminnows, yellow bullhead, slough darters plus these:

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common carp ?

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green sunfish

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Gizzard or threadfin shad

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Tadpole madtom? Caught several of these in with a school of yellow bullhead fry. Don't know if this is typical behavior of madtoms or not.

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The previous two pics are of the same fish. ? Blacktail shiner

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Crappie fry?

Thanks for any input folks.

#2 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 04 July 2017 - 06:59 PM

I agree all around except for the blacktail shiner.


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#3 gerald

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Posted 04 July 2017 - 08:33 PM

I think your "blacktail shiner" may be a white bass (common mistake anyone could make) but your other ID's look good.  I've never heard of madtoms schooling with bullhead fry!


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#4 Josh Blaylock

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 02:21 PM

I think your "blacktail shiner" may be a white bass (common mistake anyone could make) but your other ID's look good.  I've never heard of madtoms schooling with bullhead fry!

 

My first thought was a baby Striped Bass, but I can't say I've seen a juvenile of either species.


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#5 gerald

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 02:26 PM

It's a Morone species, but I cant really tell which one either.  It's not very stripey nor yellow, so that leaves white, which is the predominant one in that area.


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#6 JasonL

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 08:35 PM

This location isn't that far from the main river so Morone species are quite plausible. Thanks fellas.

#7 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 05 July 2017 - 10:24 PM

Don't know if I have ever seen one that size in life. Same with shortnose gar, nobody reports finding juvenile shortnose. Where do the young live? Juvenile flathead catfish are riffle dwellers, who would think? I often wonder about the juveniles I rarely see versus adults that are common to see.Where are they hiding?


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#8 mattknepley

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 11:32 AM

Don't know if I have ever seen one that size in life. Same with shortnose gar, nobody reports finding juvenile shortnose. Where do the young live? Juvenile flathead catfish are riffle dwellers, who would think? I often wonder about the juveniles I rarely see versus adults that are common to see.Where are they hiding?


Often wonder the same thing. Unless I'm out with Dustin, and then I just wonder why every stream we go to is devoid of any fish life whatsoever...
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#9 Dustin

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 11:48 AM

Me too...


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#10 fritz

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 05:54 PM

when did you get so cocky Mr. D??



#11 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 06 July 2017 - 08:03 PM

I don't know if that is me or Dustin?


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#12 fritz

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 02:09 PM

Not you!!!  Dustin



#13 MtFallsTodd

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 05:25 PM

The first pic looks like a wild colored goldfish.
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#14 Dustin

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Posted 08 July 2017 - 06:10 PM

when did you get so cocky Mr. D??


Not cocky. Just saying that any time I got out with Knepley, my nets come up empty.

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