Sunfish ID Confirmations for a Newbie
Posted 01 August 2017 - 10:24 PM
My Intended Stock
* 6 orange spot sunfish or pumpkinseeds if I can't find orange spots (I'm working off the over stock+over filter strategy)
* 3-6 rainbow or green darters (can darters be mixed?)
* 6-10 blackstripe topminnows
I haven't brought anything home yet, but I've been checking out the local ponds with a (small) hook and line. I want to make sure I'm confident IDing sunnies, so I'd love feedback on this. Here's some of my recent catches: https://imgur.com/gallery/ycCRZ
I have 10/20/30G tanks on hand to separate darters or minnows, but nothing else suitable for larger sunnies of the wrong species. Thanks for your help!
Posted 01 August 2017 - 11:09 PM
I have found you can mix various darter species without issue. Keep them slightly crowded with lots of structure and and that often mitigates territory disputes.
I have kept bantams, orangespots and dollar sunfish with darters without issue. Any other sunfish species, including pumpkinseeds, get potentially large enough to put darters at risk. In your case, you could easily put 6-10 orangespots in a 75 with 10-12 darters, and mix in a dozen local shiners and/or topminnows and all should get along fine and occupy their own areas of the tank. That is similar to a setup I have currently.
Posted 01 August 2017 - 11:18 PM
What do you think about pumpkinseed density in a 75? Still 6 or take it down to 3-4 with more dither fish? I know pumpkinseeds can theoretically get up to 12" but the big green (possible redear hybrid) in pic #1 is by far the largest individual I've caught in 3 months, from the least pressured pond. I know it's not much of a local history to go on, but it's something.
I'd love to see your tank as well! I'll definitely make sure I provide lots of hiding spots in mine. Thanks.
Posted 02 August 2017 - 08:03 AM
Posted 02 August 2017 - 08:49 AM
Also if you use the search bar on this site there are probably some older threads that you might find useful to your situation.
Posted 21 August 2017 - 08:56 PM
I could really use some additional hard and fast rules to eliminate the usual suspects - bluegill and greenies are most common and least desired in my local ponds.
1. Are bluegill and greenies the only sunnies with a black spot/blotch at the base of the dorsal fin?
2. Are greenies the only sunnies with white trimmed anal fins?
I ask because I recently caught some juveniles (1-2") with smallish mouths, no dorsal spot, short rounded pectoral fins, white trimmed anal fins, and white trimmed, some red highlighted opercular flaps. Patterns were varied/washed out, but no super obvious stripes. I want to avoid getting green x longear hybrids. Unfortunately a lot of the older, potentially helpful posts here often have broken picture links. ...and here I am with no new pictures today, but still!
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