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#1 nviole

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 01:12 PM

I caught this fish in a small creek that is a tributary of the Lower Saluda River in Lexington, SC. I'm pretty sure it is a creek chub, but it has almost no markings other than brightly colored fins.

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#2 gerald

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 02:07 PM

Nope - that's a Bluehead chub.  It has larger scales and a smaller, downturned mouth compared with a Creek chub.


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#3 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 04:43 PM

I agree, even though I am not from there. It is certainly a Nocomis rather than Semotilus. However Nocomis are tough to ID unless you know what species is in that drainage. Spawning males are easier to ID. Gerald knows what is where, so that probably allowed him to rule out other Nocomis species. It is a tough game.


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#4 nviole

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 04:46 PM

What about this? Bluehead chub?

#5 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 04:54 PM

It is a Nocomis.


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#6 Dustin

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 07:44 AM

The only Nocomis in SC except for the very far NW corner of the state (where there is the potential for river via stream capture) is the bluehead.  They are extremely common in all streams in the piedmont and venture into the sandills as well.


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#7 nviole

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 04:02 PM

I'm assuming this one is Nocomis as well?

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#8 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 04:49 PM

You got it. You are able to recognize the characteristics that define the genus. The scale size alone is a dead giveaway when it comes to creek chubs VS. Nocomis.


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#9 Dustin

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 09:46 AM

Yep.  Wait to you get a nice tuberculate male in the spring.


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#10 nviole

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 03:38 PM

Dustin, I grew up catching these guys. I used to call them horny fish as a kid. There are some beauties in Fourteen Mile Creek in Lexington

#11 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 01 November 2017 - 04:36 PM

Dustin, I grew up catching these guys. I used to call them horny fish as a kid. There are some beauties in Fourteen Mile Creek in Lexington.

Do you guys have stonerollers there? They get some pretty impressive tubercles as well.


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#12 Dustin

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 07:14 AM

Do you guys have stonerollers there? They get some pretty impressive tubercles as well.

We only have stonerollers up in the far NW corner of the state likely due to stream capture along with whitetails, warpaints, mirror, sculpin, etc.


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