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#1 FishyJackson

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Posted 04 August 2019 - 10:55 PM

Did my overnight Buffalo trip where we do more driving than fishing.  Didn't do great again, and ran out of time by the time I realized how I should have been going about trying to get larger Darters and whatever else was hiding in the rocks.  Also spent a lot of time trying to catch Northern Hogsuckers.  I saw tons of them at all spots and pretty sure all were Hogs.  Had various worms and even a piece of some water bug right in their face many times but they refused to show any interest at all. 

 

Alas...some ID's.  #1 is the usual small minnow that I hope isn't Luxilus but ends up being Luxilus.  Think I got the rest but let's see.  

 

 

These fish were from Cayuga Creek and Buffalo Creek.  

 

1) ?

 

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2) Rainbow Darter- seemed to be most common Darter there

 

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3) Johnny Darter

 

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4) Bluntnose Minnow- learned my lesson last year not to doubt Bluntnose.  This was actually from Erie Canal spot.  

 

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5) Fantail Darter- This was only caught in dipnet

 

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6) Western Blacknose Dace- Also only caught in net

 

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#2 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 08:06 AM

Emerald shiner is likely. Did the scales come off super easy?


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#3 FishyJackson

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 10:01 AM

Matt- Do Emeralds go far up creeks?  I thought it looked like Emerald at first too but then I read that they are usually in open water of lakes and large rivers. 

 

This was caught right around where I circled below, in Cayuga Creek, which was a pretty dried up creek so didn't seem like their habitat, but I dont know much about that Creek or what it's like other times of year.  Water levels quite low right now it seems

 

 

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#4 FishyJackson

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 10:02 AM

If I'm seeing that picture of it correctly, the dorsal fin origin seems well behind the origin of the pelvic fin, like an Emerald.  Also the eye seems large too



#5 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 11:35 AM

It isn't an emerald. Looking at it more, only thing I can come up with is golden shiner. It's pretty small.


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#6 FishyJackson

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 02:03 PM

It isn't an emerald. Looking at it more, only thing I can come up with is golden shiner. It's pretty small.

 

pretty small indeed.  I've been trying to avoid hooking these real small Minnows...but I had to try one to see if it's a Sand Shiner as they seem to be a very small fish.  But this fish was caught and now must be ID'd lol.  I can definitely see you being correct with this ID but I'm really struggling to see it.  I forgot all about Golden Shiner and just assumed someone would say this is a Common Shiner.  I really don't see it as either but am sure I'm wrong.  Hopefully someone else has a good read on this one and can confirm what it is.  I can try to post a different pic later from the video I took of it also.  



#7 JasonL

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 04:56 PM

Dorsal fin placement and upturned mouth suggestive of golden shiner to me as well. They are pretty skinny at that size too.

#8 FishyJackson

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 07:34 PM

Thanks Matt/Jason, Ok Golden it is

 

 

here's another pic.  Mouth does appear to be that of a Golden.  

 

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#9 FishyJackson

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 07:58 PM

couple others from trip

 

Well after getting the random juvenile Green Sunny at the Delaware last month, it appears I got another one here.  Perhaps they are more common now than I thought.  This looks like an indisputable Greenie.  

 

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For this one, I want to see if I'm interpretting this right.  The scales at top of head of a common shiner are smaller and more bunched up.  This below, it seems significantly less so.  Does that make this an official Striped Shiner?  I didn't catch this one of course.  If I do go there again though I will try to fish thru the Commons to get one though

 

 

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#10 Matt DeLaVega

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 08:04 PM

I would call that a striped. Take comparative photos. Side by side. The internet needs that photo.


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#11 FishyJackson

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Posted 05 August 2019 - 08:51 PM

yea not sure why I didnt just do that.  Here is a pic of presumably one of the Common Shiners I caught.  Some evidence of scale bunching in the pic but not a great bunchage shot.  

 

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#12 FishyJackson

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Posted 25 March 2020 - 09:54 PM

cabin fever setting in heavy especially with this virus situation going on now.  Hope everyone here is safe.  

 

I'm bored and re-opening a case here.  This fish which was deemed a juvenile Golden Shiner in this thread.  This fish below

 

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I never quite bought in fully to Golden Shiner, but I think once Emerald Shiner was ruled out based on habitat, due to the dorsal fin placement it left only Golden Shiner as likely.  However, I think we overlooked Rosyface Shiner (Notropis rubellus).  They also have the dorsal set far back like this, and are also common in this watershed.  I also read that they can be confused with Emeralds. 

 

I was just looking at my pics of this fish again and only started thinking Rosyface when I noticed the red color by the mouth, which I originally figured was blood from the hook.  After reading that the red color on these fish is only when breeding, I think that does mean the red color is blood unless it's possible they still have some red when not breeding sometimes, however I still think it's a Rosyface now either way.  This fish seems too slender to me to be a Golden Shiner, and the mouth looks quite pointed in the first pic, the mouth looks more Rosyface than Golden-like to me.  Here's some more pics.  I also included a pic of a small Golden I've caught, it's bigger than this fish but just looks so different, and it's hard to find any pic on the web of a Golden this size looking like this.    Is anyone confident it's a Rosyface now after seeing more pics?  Feel free to say give it up Fishy, it's a Golden Shiner.  But I'm like 68% confident it's a Rosyface...need to get to the 85% confidence interval.  Thanks guys

 

This shot below shows the red by the mouth.  Not sure if it means anything

 

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This shot below shows how slender it was

 

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Juvenile Golden.  

 

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#13 FishyJackson

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Posted 26 March 2020 - 10:36 PM

Twas an Emerald Shiner...Closing the case, unless there's any Nanfian objections.  Got off the Emerald train too quickly lol 






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