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Blue shiner in full breeding color, does one exist


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#1 keepnatives

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Posted 23 August 2021 - 02:34 PM

Back in the 1980's I did some sampling in the Conasauga river I believe,  The blue shiners were in full spawning mode and I can't find a photo even close to the color and intensity of those specimens.  The males entire bodies were  a deep sky blue so intense the commonly seen pink line didn't even show,  all fins were  vivid yellow. They were not near as deep bodied as fieryblacks or Alabama shiners and many of the males were 5 - 6 inches long.  They were fast, literally blue streaks but then again they are Cyprinella.  I'm preparing a presentation on Cyprinella and would like to include a photo or video worthy of this species beauty.  Is there any out there?  If not I'd be glad to join in an expedition next spring to get some...photos or videos that is (federally protected).  I'd be the guy that runs for the drinks, snacks or towels for you talented ones.   Seriously let me know on either front. 


Mike Lucas
Mohawk-Hudson Watershed
Schenectady NY

#2 trygon

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Posted 24 August 2021 - 09:07 AM

Mike,

I saw a couple of post spawn individuals there this past spring, but didn't get any photos.  I'm up for an expedition next spring, just let me know when.


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#3 Casper

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Posted 24 August 2021 - 01:05 PM

5 -6 inches is an exaggeration in my experience.  3 to 4" more typical.

People are now wary about photo tank shots as they are listed.

I have some shots i used in the Snorkel Guide where i baited them in.  I think you have a guide.

Not as intense coloration as you describe.  They are a beautiful, elegant fish no doubt.

They send to associate with calmer flow areas up and down the Conasauga, Snorkel Hole to 411.  Not rare at all in their home waters.


Casper Cox
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#4 keepnatives

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Posted 24 August 2021 - 03:07 PM

Mike,

I saw a couple of post spawn individuals there this past spring, but didn't get any photos.  I'm up for an expedition next spring, just let me know when.

Sounds good just prepare a list of preferred beverages, snacks and an assistant might be required to do.


Mike Lucas
Mohawk-Hudson Watershed
Schenectady NY

#5 keepnatives

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Posted 24 August 2021 - 03:24 PM

5 -6 inches is an exaggeration in my experience.  3 to 4" more typical.

People are now wary about photo tank shots as they are listed.

I have some shots i used in the Snorkel Guide where i baited them in.  I think you have a guide.

Not as intense coloration as you describe.  They are a beautiful, elegant fish no doubt.

They send to associate with calmer flow areas up and down the Conasauga, Snorkel Hole to 411.  Not rare at all in their home waters. 

I suppose my memory could have magnified their glory over the years but the big males were quite a bit larger then the full size tricolors at the same site.  Videos might be the way to go can't imagine getting a photo underwater.  Might have to commission The Great Szabo he can command some to hold still for his shots


Mike Lucas
Mohawk-Hudson Watershed
Schenectady NY

#6 Casper

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Posted 24 August 2021 - 07:06 PM

Do you remember exactly where you were on the Conasauga?

In my experience they are always about the same size as TriColors.

However Alabamas get pretty big.  As are Venustas at 411.

Venustas can be late spawners too.  Beautiful with their white tipped fins.


Casper Cox
Chattanooga, near the TN Divide on BlueFishRidge overlooking South Chickamauga Creek.

#7 keepnatives

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Posted 24 August 2021 - 09:29 PM

Do you remember exactly where you were on the Conasauga?

In my experience they are always about the same size as TriColors.

However Alabamas get pretty big.  As are Venustas at 411.

Venustas can be late spawners too.  Beautiful with their white tipped fins.

No don't remember and lost most of my old records.  It's been a while, could be confusing the size with the other Cyprinella.


Mike Lucas
Mohawk-Hudson Watershed
Schenectady NY

#8 Michael Wolfe

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Posted 04 September 2021 - 08:58 PM

Mike,

I saw a couple of post spawn individuals there this past spring, but didn't get any photos.  I'm up for an expedition next spring, just let me know when.

I wanna go with y'all... I am not able to act as a photographer of your level, but I would be game for participating and maybe taking some gopro video or badly focused snaps...


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