Im trying to collect some slimy sculpin and was wondering if anyone has had success around New Hampshire or Vermont?
Searching for slimy sculpin in the NH VT area
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Vandiver Aquatics
, May 22 2024 08:27 AM
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FirstChAoS
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Posted 27 June 2024 - 12:57 PM
I have found them up here.
Cold upland streams, that is the answer.
I found them in a few streams. If it is good for native brook trout, cold, and has small rocks you have a chance to find them. Usually far enough upstream that you dont get minnows.
Cold upland streams, that is the answer.
I found them in a few streams. If it is good for native brook trout, cold, and has small rocks you have a chance to find them. Usually far enough upstream that you dont get minnows.
Edited by FirstChAoS, 27 June 2024 - 12:58 PM.
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FirstChAoS
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Posted 27 June 2024 - 10:41 PM
Places found. Martin Brook in Richmond (tough to find access points, I suggest the trail in the woods branching off the powerlines), one spot on the Cold River when scouting convention locations, I forgot where.Im trying to collect some slimy sculpin and was wondering if anyone has had success around New Hampshire or Vermont?
NOTE: These are VERY cold water species, not good for captivity. Also NH has very stringent collecting rules (I hear Vermont is even worse).
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FirstChAoS
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Posted 29 June 2024 - 08:57 AM
Sorry to reply a third time but it would be awesome if you could get photos and enough samples to see if regional diversification of sculpin morphology is occurring.
Why?
It is a bit of a longshot but, Well, studies of glacial clay sediments from the glacial lake that became the Connecticut River have shown traces of sculpin and larger fish. The studies of the trace impressions of other fish show fin lengths comparable to Salvelinus species. The two Salvelinus native to eastern New England showed some regional diversification, sadly much of it was lost. Brook trout produced the now extinct silver trout subspecies, Arctic char adapted in different ways in each pond they were in. Sadly the only remaining char populations are in Maine. Each of the unique trout populations in NH died out just after it was discovered.
What makes it a longshot in sculpin is that first of all, the trout morphological diversity was discovered just before dying out and people cared about game fish long before non-game was an issue. Second of all, discovering new sculpin species requires debate over minutiae of literal line scales, and counts of fin spines and rays on the dorsal and anal fin. Finding a subspecies or even regional diversification in different rivers may be almost imperceptible.
Why?
It is a bit of a longshot but, Well, studies of glacial clay sediments from the glacial lake that became the Connecticut River have shown traces of sculpin and larger fish. The studies of the trace impressions of other fish show fin lengths comparable to Salvelinus species. The two Salvelinus native to eastern New England showed some regional diversification, sadly much of it was lost. Brook trout produced the now extinct silver trout subspecies, Arctic char adapted in different ways in each pond they were in. Sadly the only remaining char populations are in Maine. Each of the unique trout populations in NH died out just after it was discovered.
What makes it a longshot in sculpin is that first of all, the trout morphological diversity was discovered just before dying out and people cared about game fish long before non-game was an issue. Second of all, discovering new sculpin species requires debate over minutiae of literal line scales, and counts of fin spines and rays on the dorsal and anal fin. Finding a subspecies or even regional diversification in different rivers may be almost imperceptible.
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Posted 09 August 2024 - 08:23 AM
Places found. Martin Brook in Richmond (tough to find access points, I suggest the trail in the woods branching off the powerlines), one spot on the Cold River when scouting convention locations, I forgot where. https://sharpedgesho...nives-vegetable
NOTE: These are VERY cold water species, not good for captivity. Also NH has very stringent collecting rules (I hear Vermont is even worse).
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Great to hear you found some spots!
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