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#1 Guest_NateTessler13_*

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Posted 24 September 2007 - 08:25 AM

I've done quite a bit of collecting this summer. Learned a lot about many new species of fish. Now that the summer's coming to an end, I have time to look through some of the pictures that I took. When going through the pictures (all to be added to the Nanfa Gallery in due time), I found some pictures of fish that I couldn't positively identify. I was hoping for some help with them so I'd be able to file them finally.

Here's the first... It's a trout of some kind. I thought it was a Brook Trout parr, but I was wondering if it could be one of those stocked Rainbow Trout parr. It was caught in southwestern Wisconsin in a trib to the Baraboo River (which is a trib to the Wisconsin River). There are some spots very lightly visible on throughout the body of the fish. I'm almost sure it's a Brook Trout, but I caught others from the same location that were the same size, and they had full Brook Trout coloration, not this silvery coloration. Let me know what you think.
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The next one is a small Lamprey ammoceote. It was collected from the Pine River in southwestern Wisconsin. The Pine River is a trib. to the Wisconsin River, in the southwestern part of Wisconsin. It's one of the 1st tributaries to the Wisconsin River after its confluence with the Mississippi River. It's pretty hard to photograph a Lamprey ammoceote, but unfortunately this one died due to trauma from a trapdoor snail closing on it's head. (That's why there's a ridge in the fish). It was taken below in an area that had a high gradient riffle (containing Longnose Dace) that emptied into a slow moving pool. This fish was found in the detritus on the bottom of the pool. Based on that habitat, I think it's a Brook Lamprey of some sort. Any help would be appreciated.
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The next few pictures all come from the same place...my camera... These fish were collected in the Outer Banks of North Carolina. These fish came from the brackish water of the Currituck Sound on the east coast of North Carolina, in the town of Duck. This first fish I think is a Needlefish or a Halfbeak of some kind...I was way out of my usual range here, so I'm a little off on this one.
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The next fish is a Pipefish of some kind...not sure which though.
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This one is some kind of a Goby. I found some in breeding condition in the Valsineria along the shoreline. I'm not sure which kind of Gobies are found around those parts.
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This last one was really hard to photograph. I had to photoshop it up, and it still came out like that. Anyway, I think it's a young of year White Perch. I have no clue what else it could be.
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Thanks for any and all input.

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Posted 24 September 2007 - 06:41 PM

Can't help you with the FW stuff but.....

Your needlefish is a Strongylura species, most likely S. marina (Atlantic Needlefish) due to range, the others aren't usually found north of Florida

Your pipefish is Syngnathus fuscus (Northern Pipefish)

Your goby is Gobiosoma bosc (Naked Goby)

As for the last one, you could be right, I've never seen a white perch juvie, however the appearance also fits with several different Sciaenids as well including Sciaenops ocellatus, Micropogonius undulatus, and Bairdiella chrysoura -- so in other words -- I don't really know

Nice Catches!

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Posted 24 September 2007 - 06:52 PM

Awesome. Thanks for those ID's. If I could just get some help on the freshwater ones now...

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Posted 29 September 2007 - 04:23 PM

Nate the salmonid is a char, not a trout. Look at the white leading edges of the fins. Also trout will have dark spots on a light background, and char have light spots on a dark background. That leaves two options brook trout or lake trout. Does not look like any young brookie I have ever seen, My vote is lake trout.

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Posted 29 September 2007 - 05:37 PM

I looked at the lamprey again and I'm not sure by photo alone. I can't make out anything very well for counts. given the information you already gave me about the fish and the location I am sort of confident in saying it was a Brook lamprey rather than Chestnut or silver (But still could have been), I'm just not sure if it is American, (Southern ?) or Northern...

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Posted 29 September 2007 - 08:13 PM

Nate the salmonid is a char, not a trout. Look at the white leading edges of the fins. Also trout will have dark spots on a light background, and char have light spots on a dark background. That leaves two options brook trout or lake trout. Does not look like any young brookie I have ever seen, My vote is lake trout.


Could it be a Splake?

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Posted 29 September 2007 - 08:45 PM

A trib to a trib plus young lake trout just doesn't add up. I'd say brookie or splake leaning more towards brookie.

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Posted 29 September 2007 - 08:56 PM

While I have very very very little experience with brookies, and absolutely none with splake other than In-Fisherman....

Young splake really isn't out of the question:

Range:
http://nas.er.usgs.g...p?speciesID=940

Pics:
http://www.simmsfish..._ARTICLE.ID=242

http://dwrcdc.nr.uta...p?FlNm=salvsalv

http://www.jjphoto.d...ater/splake.htm

Todd

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Posted 30 September 2007 - 02:42 AM

The char is a brook trout. I've caught plenty of small brookies with that light silver coloration, some times mixed in with "regular" darker fish. Given that he mentioned catching other, normal colored brookies in the same area, and given that it's a stream situation, no reason to think this is not just a lighter brookie, IMO.

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Posted 30 September 2007 - 10:08 PM

The char is a brook trout. I've caught plenty of small brookies with that light silver coloration, some times mixed in with "regular" darker fish. Given that he mentioned catching other, normal colored brookies in the same area, and given that it's a stream situation, no reason to think this is not just a lighter brookie, IMO.


I think I'm going to have to agree on the Brook Trout ID. Besides, the Splake range map didn't quite match up to the locale of the fish.




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