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9-29-07 Kankakee River

Started by Guest_teleost_* , Sep 29 2007 11:59 PM

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#21 Guest_ashtonmj_*

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Posted 02 October 2007 - 08:14 PM

...mmmhmm it sure does look like a cardium doesn't it?

#22 Guest_teleost_*

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Posted 02 October 2007 - 08:44 PM

Now that you mention it... That does look more pocketbookish, doesn't it?
Uland, I remember the thread, and again, I've been thwarted from finding anything about it, other than the fact that Canada is concerned about it, and Kansas at least recognizes it. The Natureserve maps can't be correct, they're showing the synonymy probably.

Todd

Does this mean I can finally just ignore the whole percobromus thing?

I must say, thing begs a battery of questions.....

#23 Guest_daveneely_*

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Posted 03 October 2007 - 01:26 AM

Does this mean I can finally just ignore the whole percobromus thing?

I must say, thing begs a battery of questions.....

what are you talking about, percobromus is as as clear as, well, mud!

just run some allozymes and things will be crystal cleeeeer.

back in the States for like, a week,
cheers,
Dave

#24 Guest_ashtonmj_*

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Posted 04 October 2007 - 07:22 AM

I thought I'd offer up a good black sandshell picture for comparison. Stumbled acrossed it this morning, and actually it's one of the most pristine and young black sandshells I've ever seen. It's from the lower French Broad River, TN.

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#25 Guest_teleost_*

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Posted 04 October 2007 - 08:04 AM

Thanks again for all of your help. I think I'm getting a better handle on percobromus. Well, "handle" might not be the right word. I had just assumed it's information was off in one of those placed that I'd need to spend a couple of hundred dollars to read. I'll drop the issue and simply refer to them as I had at first. I welcome rubellus back to my home waters!

#26 Guest_teleost_*

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Posted 07 October 2007 - 02:00 PM

I cannot take credit for the below specimen list (as it's pretty obvious that incapable of doing so). I will see if I can post the collector's name (I don't post names unless given permission).

Washboard Megalonaias nervosa - we found live and dead specimens
Pimpleback Quadrula pustulosa - we found dead specimens
Monkeyface Quadrula metanevra - we found live and dead
Threeridge Amblema plicata - we found live and dead
Wabash Pigtoe Fusconaia flava - we found live and dead
Purple Wartyback Cyclonaias tuberculata - we found live and dead
Round Pigtoe Pleurobema sintoxia - we found 1 old valve
Spike Elliptio dilatata - we found one very dead valve
Elktoe Alasmidonta marginata - we found dead specimens
White Heelsplitter Lasmigona complanata - we found a live specimen
Fluted-shell Lasmigona costata - we found live and dead specimens
Mucket Actinonaias ligamentina - we many live and dead specimens -
Fragile Papershell Leptodea fragilis - we found dead specimens
Black Sandshell Ligumia recta - we found live and dead specimens
Ellipse Venustaconcha ellipsiformis - we found 1 old valve
Plain Pocketbook Lampsilis cardium - we found live and dead

#27 Guest_NateTessler13_*

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Posted 08 October 2007 - 07:49 AM

Uland,
Brian and I were just on the Kankakee River near Wilmington, IL. We were upstream of the Warner Rd. Bridge at the Kankakee River State Park.
This is what the area right there looked like:
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The top picture shows a rock outcropping that was near some really swift water. Right at the base of that rock outcropping was a hole that was over 10 feet deep. The water was pretty clear too. There were lots of really big fish sitting in that hole, like this one...a big Freshwater Drum.
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Surrounding that area was some slack water, and as the bottom picture shows, a good stretch of riffles. In the slack water we managed to capture some Longnose Gar.
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and we got various Centrachids including a Green Sunfish x N. Longear Sunfish Hybrid...
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Back in the swift water we collected all sorts of Redhorse, a Carpsucker, and even Walleye.
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(River Redhorse)
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(Walleye)

(Northern Quillback Carpsucker)
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(Black Redhorse)
We even got a little turtle...I think this one's a River Cooter.
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Here's a species list from that site, definitely a good fish assemblage:
Northern Quillback Carpsucker
Rock Bass
Channel Catfish
Smallmouth Bass
Freshwater Drum
Northern Shorthead Redhorse
Northern Longear Sunfish
River Redhorse
Walleye
Longnose Gar
Northern Hogsucker
Black Redhorse
Silver Redhorse
Yellow Bullhead
Hybrid Sunfish
Striped Shiner
Bluntnose Minnow
Spotfin Shiner
Central Stoneroller Minnow
Blackstripe Topminnow
Brook Silverside
Largemouth Bass
Hornyhead Chub
Bluegill Sunfish
Green Sunfish
Stonecat Madtom
Logperch
Rosyface Shiner/Carmine Shiner (still not sure about that...)
Blackside Darter
Banded Darter
Rainbow Darter
Johnny Darter
Slenderhead Darter
Common Carp

Just thought you'd be interested
-Nate

#28 Guest_farmertodd_*

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Posted 08 October 2007 - 09:58 AM

Beautiful. Just beautiful. Man Argo is gonna be hacked he got stuck on the Kentucky lol! Wait til I rub this into his face

Uland, thanks for the list of mussels. That's definately a community to check out! The species that you found dead are most likely present live. Their life history is just a little more seceretive than the other species. And even more important question is wether you were finding shells of all sizes among species.

Can you guys imagine what this was like before they ditched the headwaters in the 30s? As I say, this is one of the greatest sins of our society. To have had that large, rich and intact aquatic ecosystem destroyed so recently is DISGUSTING. That should have been a national park. We've protected enough mountains, already.

Todd

#29 Guest_teleost_*

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Posted 09 October 2007 - 06:31 AM

Nice photos and species list Nate. By the number of sucker you managed and the size of the walleye I'll just assume you had the electro boat. I would have given my left arm to have been there to photo those sucker (they appear in excellent condition). I've had a bit of trouble chasing down sucker with my seine. Nice work and thanks for posting. You fellas sure get around :tongue:

#30 Guest_bullhead_*

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Posted 09 October 2007 - 10:25 AM

When I was a youngster, it seemed like suckers were all we ever caught on the Kankakee. ("Aw man, another sucker!") Of course I was fishing with worms/nightcrawlers and heavy weight to hold it in the current.

#31 Guest_teleost_*

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Posted 09 October 2007 - 11:14 AM

When I was a youngster, it seemed like suckers were all we ever caught on the Kankakee. ("Aw man, another sucker!") Of course I was fishing with worms/nightcrawlers and heavy weight to hold it in the current.

As a youngster I recall massive groups of suckers invading riffles/slow shallows and causing quite a feeding ruckus. You had the impression that you could walk across their backs and never get wet. It was honestly an impressive sight no matter what your disposition is on this type of stuff. Those days are gone for good. I've not seen large groups of sucker after the fish kill from the massive sewage dump (I think that was in the late 80's or very early 90's).

I might just have to break down and hook and line for them but I have a hard time even thinking about that, I'm so impatient. And then I have to hope I get the different species and good specimens to boot.

#32 Guest_NateTessler13_*

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Posted 09 October 2007 - 11:20 PM

We had a site on the Kankakee again today. This time it was 500 meters downstream of the I-55 bridge in Wilmington, IL. Lots of the same stuff...this stuff kind of stood out though; a real good looking River Redhorse and an odd Northern/Central Longear Sunfish. I think I've seen your post on this area's Lepomis megalotis' before.

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Are you in town, because I think we might have two more sights on the Kankakee that we'll be getting to in the next two weeks.

-Nate-

#33 Guest_teleost_*

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Posted 09 October 2007 - 11:52 PM

Nate, are you trying to rub it in? :tongue:

That is a very nice photo of an equally nice specimen redhorse. I'm glad you guys are seeing this river in all of it's beauty. I'm very envious of your efforts here. I'm in town during this week (but not Thursday) and I'll be out of town on Monday of next week. Other than that I'll do what's needed to attend [-o<

That longear is particularly odd (kind of purty too). Did you find others like it? Is it still alive? I know someone looking for live adults of this area for study.

#34 Guest_NateTessler13_*

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Posted 11 October 2007 - 10:12 PM

Alright, I'll let you know at least a few days in advance if we'll be out there again. We're doing some work on the Sangamon River right now (nothing really exciting, did get a Freckled Madtom, however). We've been getting some odd Longears throughout the Illinois area, especially in the Kankakee. I don't really have any means to keep them alive for a long period of time.

#35 Guest_MScooter_*

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Posted 14 October 2007 - 03:18 AM

That is about as perfect of a dry photo as they come. The species list makes me want to venture into the cold north. {aka yankeeville}
Good Luck with the research.

#36 Guest_Irate Mormon_*

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Posted 14 October 2007 - 05:45 PM

The species list makes me want to venture into the cold north. {aka yankeeville}

Don't do it! You're a young man!

#37 Guest_MScooter_*

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Posted 15 October 2007 - 02:21 AM

Don't do it! You're a young man!

But I hear that they can read maps and stuff.

#38 Guest_Irate Mormon_*

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Posted 16 October 2007 - 12:03 AM

I tried reading a map once. It was very boring and the end of the map did not have a satisfactory conclusion. Hey, are you up for a trip to this neat river (I forget the name) that is somewhere around here? We could park the cars at two separate points and spend a couple of hours walking downstream. I don't think it would be a long trip. At least it will be warm.