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Posted 08 October 2007 - 09:35 AM

I just got a fish print from my mother in law to be. It is pretty old. I also got an original copy of trout fly fishing in N.A. from her and the relative that origionally had it...1908 date. So yeah back to the print....It is "The Common Trout (Salmo fario). J. Jury lithograph, M & N Hanhart imp. So far I'm having little luck going through collections, references, ebay, etc. to find out more information on it. Any help would be much appreciated. Will try and get a picture up later.

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Posted 08 October 2007 - 11:09 AM

I never saw that binomial before. But I found this on dict.die.net:

Lake trout (Zo["o]l.), any one of several species of trout
and salmon; in Europe, esp. Salmo fario; in the United
States, esp. Salvelinus namaycush of the Great Lakes,
and of various lakes in New York, Eastern Maine, and
Canada. A large variety of brook trout (S. fontinalis),
inhabiting many lakes in New England, is also called lake
trout. See Namaycush.

And this on the AMNH Research Library site:

Title: An adult pug-headed brown trout, Salmo fario : with notes on other pug-headed salmonids. Bulletin of the AMNH ; v. 58, article 10.
Other Titles: Adult pugheaded brown trout, Salmo fario
Notes on pug-headed brown trout
Authors: Gudger, E. W. (Eugene Willis), 1866-1956.
Miller, Louis P.
Issue Date: 1929
Publisher: New York : Published by order of the Trustees, American Museum of Natural History
Series/Report no.: Bulletin of the American Museum of Natural History ; v. 58, article 10.
Description: p. 531-559, [1] leaf of plates : ill. ; 24 cm.
Includes bibliographical references (p. 558-559).
URI: http://hdl.handle.net/2246/865

So I think this is some kind of discarded name for brown trouts.

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Posted 08 October 2007 - 11:58 AM

The drawing actually looks like a little bith of both. It's sealed in the frame and so darn old, and looks like an original print, that I'm scared of doing anything with it. I might just take a picture of it in the frame. No real luck finding any information about the lithograph artist but the printer seems to be proflic in nature style lithographs.

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Posted 08 October 2007 - 02:43 PM

From what I recall, this was an early name for what was later determined to be nothing more than a large lake run Brown trout. Hence it was correctly lumped in with Salmo trutta

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Posted 08 October 2007 - 03:11 PM

Which is all well and good (what taxonomy isn't somewhat wrong from the turn of the 20th century compared to now)...but I want to know about the lithograph. So far all I have found out is this person has done some work in other natural history related drawings from some expiditionary style trips.

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Posted 08 October 2007 - 04:39 PM

From Eshmeyers Catalog of Fishes:

Salmo fario - Linnaeus 1758 -- described from rivers in Sweden and Switzerland, it is considered a synonym of Salmo trutta, but apparently a valid subspecies




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