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#1 Guest_FishandFire_*
Posted 09 October 2007 - 09:47 PM
1)Smaller one is a red shiner (I am assuming male) and I thought the larger one was a female, but now I am not sure.
2)Southern Red-Bellied Dace
3)Unknown Darter
4)Different unknown darter
5)Two dark green ones are brook stickleback
6)Completely unknown
Thanks,
John
#2 Guest_Skipjack_*
Posted 09 October 2007 - 10:01 PM
The photos leave a bit to be desired.
I will buy that the smaller fish in the first photo may be a red shiner. Beyond that I cannot say.
The second photo is a SRBD.
The third photo is of a darter in the fantail complex.
Do not forget squamiceps, and kennicotti
The next darter photo is a johnny darter, or it is one of the closely related darters.
Beyond that?
#3 Guest_fundulus_*
Posted 09 October 2007 - 10:03 PM
#4 Guest_FishandFire_*
Posted 09 October 2007 - 10:06 PM
#5 Guest_teleost_*
Posted 09 October 2007 - 10:25 PM
(1) I agree and believe you have two red shiners. I'll bet both are male.
(2) SRBD!
(3) Fantail (it's the only "of the fantails" you have)
(4) Johnny darter
(5) I agree these are probably brook stickleback
(6) Are it's scales very "tall" and rather large? If so I might think a young Luxilus. You have both common and striped shiner as I do. We can work on that later if this is the case. Are the scales small(ish) and does this fish have a faint but uniform blue color on it's body along with a faint red color on it's fins? If so, I might think you have redfin shiner.
Focused photos will get you the ID's you seek and general locations will help us quite a bit.
#6 Guest_FishandFire_*
Posted 09 October 2007 - 10:37 PM
#1 both have similar body color except the larger one has no color in fins. Larger is also "fatter/thicker".
#7 Guest_Skipjack_*
Posted 09 October 2007 - 10:38 PM
#8 Guest_teleost_*
Posted 09 October 2007 - 11:33 PM
All are from the Iowa Quad City area. Mainly Duck Creek and Silver Creek. #6 has scales that are about twice as tall as they are wide. Darker green on top, and a little lighter on bottom with dark horizontal bar in middle. Don't see any red in the fins.
#1 both have similar body color except the larger one has no color in fins. Larger is also "fatter/thicker".
I feel more comfortable with the Luxilus genus on #6 now. I know where Silver and Duck creeks are. They should be Common shiner Luxilus cornutus. A book would really help you distinguish between the two but a quick look directly down on the fishes back will help make sure it's a Luxilus in any case. Common shiners should have a few faint lines that run parallel while Striped shiners should have lines that form a "V" as they near the caudal fin.
I'm guessing on two male red shiners based on my limited experience with them. Even at peak spawn females never really seem have a robust "neck" and tend to only get fat in their belly not in the meaty part of their body. In general females are more streamlined than males.
Below is a photo from the river stretch on the same day. Male above and female below. This is a good demonstration of how squeezing the fish too hard can distort the image. The gravid female was so round in the belly, she could not be positioned easily.
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#9 Guest_MrAquarium_*
Posted 10 October 2007 - 08:21 AM
Hey FAF, If you have a light on that tank, try like I do with my cruddy camera,
turn off the flash, have the light on the tank and hold the camera up to the glass, or up to your eye like a standard 35mm camera,
I do better like this as i'm not to steady trying to hold the stupid thing waiting for it to shoot.
No way I can take better pics with a flash of any fish,,,,, if I do it's a 1 in 500 shot I get anything good
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