Ethical Conservation
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 02:31 PM
I definitely believe we should conserve ethically! Anybody wanna argue with me?
I don't think anyone could argue with you about the need to conserve our resources in an ethical manner and in a standardized manner.
The big questions are: What are the Guidelines that we use to determine what those standards are ? Who is responsable for them (To them)? and who enforces that these ethical guidelines are followed?
Below is a link to a very significant writing on the issue of ethics and conservation. Anyone that has not read this should read it. Even though it is slightly out of date and we have come far since the late 1940's when this was written, it still holds the framework for what Ethics in conservation are and the goal in the re-thinking of our relationship to the land and resources around us.
The Land Ethic : Aldo Leopold
http://www.tipiglen..../landethic.html
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 02:48 PM
There was a lot of debate recently on the e-mail list about this, and it seems like there will never be total agreement on the matter. Just the same, it would be good to develop some guidelines. Personally, I will bow to the wisdom of the more experienced and follow your lead. Brooklamprey's point about the food for the corraled gar for example... That was an excellent point.
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 04:06 PM
There was a lot of debate recently on the e-mail list about this, and it seems like there will never be total agreement on the matter. Just the same, it would be good to develop some guidelines. Personally, I will bow to the wisdom of the more experienced and follow your lead. Brooklamprey's point about the food for the corraled gar for example... That was an excellent point.
Each individual comes to this hobby from a different background and each also has their own motives for why it is they Collect and keep fish in little glass boxes. This naturally makes total agreement on matters concerning ethical collection and conservation difficult.
Simplified guidelines such as the voluntary NANFA code of ethics :http://nativefish.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=426
Can serve as good valuable guidelines for Ethical collection and keeping of fish.
I personally think that these ethical guidelines could be expanded much to include more in the area of ones ethical responsablity to the land and the biological communities of which we exploit. They also should be mandatory and a system of punishment and sanctions should be applied and enforced against those that violate these ethical guidelines. This is however just my personal opinion.
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 04:25 PM
I personally think that these ethical guidelines could be expanded much to include more in the area of ones ethical responsablity to the land and the biological communities of which we exploit.
Agreed. I think that is the point of the discussion.
They also should be mandatory and a system of punishment and sanctions should be applied and enforced against those that violate these ethical guidelines. This is however just my personal opinion.
I'm not sure that it is practical to establish a NANFA police force and judicial system. However, accepting the code of ethics should be a requirement for NANFA membership.
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 04:32 PM
I'm not sure that it is practical to establish a NANFA police force and judicial system. However, accepting the code of ethics should be a requirement for NANFA membership.
If we do establish a police force and judicial system...I nominate Brooklamprey as judge, jury and executioner
If you had not noticed, he takes a firm stand on invasives. If more had his backbone when it comes to the subject, we would not need a palce on the forum to discuss such matters. I see no reason to make someone sign a code of ethics unless we have some way to enforce them. I guess it might have an effect on those that take the time to read such a document, but difficult to change the mind of someone with poor ethical standards to begin with.
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 04:45 PM
Errr.. I may be wrong... but I thought Brooklamprey was suggesting that such ethical guidelines be made mandatory by state or US regulation (for developers et al.), not by NANFA. "...responsablity to the land and the biological communities of which we exploit" is a bit beyond NANFA, no? But I agree; in NativeplanterLand, this would be codified into law. It would be nice to see (real) communities take more of that approach.
[quote="Brooklamprey"][quote=edbihary]I personally think that these ethical guidelines could be expanded much to include more in the area of ones ethical responsablity to the land and the biological communities of which we exploit. They also should be mandatory and a system of punishment and sanctions should be applied and enforced against those that violate these ethical guidelines. This is however just my personal opinion.[/quote]
[quote="Brooklamprey"][quote=edbihary]I personally think that these ethical guidelines could be expanded much to include more in the area of ones ethical responsablity to the land and the biological communities of which we exploit. They also should be mandatory and a system of punishment and sanctions should be applied and enforced against those that violate these ethical guidelines. This is however just my personal opinion.[/quote]
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 05:04 PM
I would like to see both actually!!!Errr.. I may be wrong... but I thought Brooklamprey was suggesting that such ethical guidelines be made mandatory by state or US regulation (for developers et al.), not by NANFA.
I should clarify that I'm not suggesting a "NANFA paramilitary Ethics police" What I'm saying is that if you agree to a code of stanardized ethics you should be held responsable to uphold them and act in a manner that is consistant with them. Call it a social contract if you wish...
If you want to be a part of the fun...you need to abide by the ethical rules of collection etc.
If one was to commit a breach in those ethics they should, depending on the seriousness of the breach, be sanctioned and or expelled from the organization.
This is a common place condition for involvement in many professional circles. I see no reason why this should not or can not also apply to an organization such as NANFA.
I don't think so."...responsablity to the land and the biological communities of which we exploit" is a bit beyond NANFA, no?
Some parts of the mission of NANFA state:
to promote the conservation of native fishes and the protection/ restoration of natural habitats;
to encourage and defend the legal and environmentally responsible collection of native fishes for private aquaria as a valid use of a natural resource;
Both of these points lead to the need for a In situ conservation ethic and for one to be responsible for the ethical collection and use of our natural resources.
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 05:33 PM
I would like to sign up for the NANFA paramilitary Ethics police, I have a pair of jack boots and a ski-mask. My uncle has a few AK-47's buried in his back yard that i can get (if i do not step on a land mine). We could hang around the outside of LFS, follow people home and inspect there set ups at gunpoint, what fun!!!!
i heard a rumor that Aquarium Central has a secret police, we can make them look like a troop of girl scouts
SIGN UP TO DAY!!!!!
LIVE A LIFE OF ADVENTURE !!!
JOIN THE NANFA paramilitary Ethics police!!!!!
i heard a rumor that Aquarium Central has a secret police, we can make them look like a troop of girl scouts
SIGN UP TO DAY!!!!!
LIVE A LIFE OF ADVENTURE !!!
JOIN THE NANFA paramilitary Ethics police!!!!!
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 06:53 PM
I would like to sign up for the NANFA paramilitary Ethics police, I have a pair of jack boots and a ski-mask. My uncle has a few AK-47's buried in his back yard that i can get (if i do not step on a land mine). We could hang around the outside of LFS, follow people home and inspect there set ups at gunpoint, what fun!!!!
i heard a rumor that Aquarium Central has a secret police, we can make them look like a troop of girl scouts
SIGN UP TO DAY!!!!!
LIVE A LIFE OF ADVENTURE !!!
JOIN THE NANFA paramilitary Ethics police!!!!!
Do I have to repeat again that thats not what I'm talking about?????
But hey if anyone is game..... I can get my gear out and we can start terrorizing the Fish hobby world in a way that only the dedicated and officially brainwashed can do !!!!!!!! Hell we should in that case.... apply for funding from the Dept. of Homeland security...The NANFA paramilitary Ethics police would in a way be the vangard movement to enforce the Environmental and conservation ethics of the "Homeland" (Or should we call it the "fatherland" ? )
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 07:02 PM
That appears to be a Mosin Nagant M91
Actually a M-91/30 transition rifle made from a M-91 dragoon rifle. One of the more rare versions of the 91/30 this is a 1920 marked rifle made at Ishvesk arsenal.......It was a Battlefield pickup on June 6th 1944 and has full Nazi Waffenmarks.
Really nice gun and very accurate to long ranges.
(Yeah OK so I'm a gun freak as well as a Fish nerd)
Edit: anyone want to argue with me about carp??????
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Posted 16 October 2006 - 07:24 PM
Is that a safe combination?
Good question......So far it seems safe as most of the Fish nerds I know are also Gun nuts.
I actually believe that the fish hobby likely is one of the most well armed, just it is a rarely mentioned secret as we are trying to overthrow the world in a diabolical scheme. (our plan is NOT from the Simpsons BTW....)
Now for saying that I'll likely get kicked out of the super secret Pisctorial illuminatii......
So Ummmm..... alright enough derailing.....Back to Conservation and ethics....
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