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I.D. assistance of juvi-pickerel
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Posted 18 January 2008 - 11:53 PM
Sorry about the quality! These must be some of the worse I've ever posted. I’m guessing the fish is a chain pick but not positive. It was scooped today along with 3- Pseeds and a ton of tadpoles from bog pond in Rochester MA. As always any and all comments and opinions welcome. Thanks for reading.
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Posted 19 January 2008 - 09:58 AM
At tht size it could be very difficult to make a determination between redfin and chain. I'm not sure if charachteristics hold true at that size but the snout does look awfully short for a chain.
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Posted 19 January 2008 - 12:03 PM
The stripe under the eye appears to be angling forward as it goes down away from the eye. I believe that is indicative of a chain pickerel.
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Posted 19 January 2008 - 11:33 PM
i dunno what it is. It's gonna die.
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Posted 19 January 2008 - 11:38 PM
i dunno what it is. It's gonna die.
Maybe I can get him fat, drunk, and happy before hand! You'll be the first one I tell when it does.
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Posted 20 January 2008 - 09:21 AM
That's interesting that you found that tiny pickeral in winter. I found one just like it in late November and someone else here posted another one recently.
Those have got to be from a second spawn. If pickeral spawn only at ice out as I've always believed, I just can't see how there can be such tiny, almost larval young in late fall or winter.
I don't ever recall reading about pickeral having a second breeding season.
FWIW, the one I found came from a pond where redfin and chain picks are both present. I chose to believe mine was a redfin only because there was alot of red coloration. Also, going with the second spawn theory, I decided redfin made more sense because if chain picks had a second season, it would be more well known based on the much larger abundance of chains over redfin. Not very scientific I know.
I'd be very interested in whether there is data on second spawns for either species. I'll scan my books and do a Google search when I get home from work.
Those have got to be from a second spawn. If pickeral spawn only at ice out as I've always believed, I just can't see how there can be such tiny, almost larval young in late fall or winter.
I don't ever recall reading about pickeral having a second breeding season.
FWIW, the one I found came from a pond where redfin and chain picks are both present. I chose to believe mine was a redfin only because there was alot of red coloration. Also, going with the second spawn theory, I decided redfin made more sense because if chain picks had a second season, it would be more well known based on the much larger abundance of chains over redfin. Not very scientific I know.
I'd be very interested in whether there is data on second spawns for either species. I'll scan my books and do a Google search when I get home from work.
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Posted 20 January 2008 - 04:17 PM
Snout length can be a pretty good indicator of species even in juvies, so I am pretty sure this fish is a redfin.
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Posted 20 January 2008 - 04:50 PM
I'd be very interested in whether there is data on second spawns for either species. I'll scan my books and do a Google search when I get home from work.
There is data on this for Esox americanus.... I however do not have the reference in front of me right now... Do a search of Copeia it is in there.....
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Posted 21 January 2008 - 12:49 AM
The pickerel in my breeding pond spawned this past fall, so there is first hand evidence that they can and will spawn twice if conditions are fitting.
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Posted 21 January 2008 - 07:37 PM
Well I did find several references for a second spawn for Esox americanus. One even suggested they are the only esox that does.
I would say based on that, the fish in question is a redfin.
Also, this site has a picture of a YOY E. americanus that looks just like the pic above.
http://dsp-psd.pwgsc...4-436-2005E.pdf
I would say based on that, the fish in question is a redfin.
Also, this site has a picture of a YOY E. americanus that looks just like the pic above.
http://dsp-psd.pwgsc...4-436-2005E.pdf
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Posted 22 January 2008 - 11:05 AM
Well I did find several references for a second spawn for Esox americanus. One even suggested they are the only esox that does.
I would say based on that, the fish in question is a redfin.
Also, this site has a picture of a YOY E. americanus that looks just like the pic above.
http://dsp-psd.pwgsc...4-436-2005E.pdf
The redfin that Mike Lucas gave me last spring was 1/4" when he caught it, during the previous fall.
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