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Warmouth, unhappy Gam, and some type of Shiner?

Started by Guest_fish for brains_* , Feb 27 2008 06:08 PM

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#1 Guest_fish for brains_*

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 06:08 PM

I collected these today in a tiny stream in Grady County, GA. I know the larger Lepomis are WM, but I can't tell what the smaller ones are. I got very confused looking at various Shiners, etc. The larger WM are 3 to 3.5 inches long. The Warmouth were trying to eat the poor Gams only 15 minutes after I added them to the tank!

I uploaded a video because I was having a hard time getting a good still shot. This way at least they come into focus part of the time.

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#2 Guest_fishlvr_*

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 06:18 PM

The shiners look like golden shiners and the smaller sunfish MIGHT be bantams. I saw a dorsal fin spot, but it could be bluegill. I say bantam because the spot looks more crescent shaped than a full spot.

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#3 Guest_killier_*

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 07:42 PM

golden shiner

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#4 Guest_fish for brains_*

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 07:51 PM

I was afraid of that. I don't think I'll be stocking Golden Shiners anytime soon. Maybe after I have an abundance of hungry predators.

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#5 Guest_Gambusia_*

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Posted 27 February 2008 - 10:32 PM

I would stock those goldens and gambusia.

Big warmouth love big goldens.

I have a 7" male warmouth my brother caught on a 3" goldern

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 09:00 AM

Golden Shiners are great fish, but I'm afraid that if I put them in before predators are well established that they will overpopulate. At this time I only have FH in my pond and I'd rather let them utilize the available food and space for now. The FH I stocked into my neighbor's pond last fall have exploded in number and that's the situation I want to repeat in my pond. The two larger WM that I collected yesterday went into that pond and I assume they'll do pretty well with all of that forage.

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#7 Guest_smbass_*

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 09:17 AM

In your clip I see a bluegill and then there was a real small sunfish that I couldn't get a real good look at, were you wanting an id on those as well? or just the Golden Shiners?

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#8 Guest_fish for brains_*

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 10:43 AM

smbass, I definitely want to ID the smaller Lepomis. I had already assumed that the medium one in this set was a BG, but I hope to find out the smallest 2 are WM. I want to get as many WM into my neighbor's pond as I can, now that it's teeming with FH, so being able to ID them at all sizes would be great.

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#9 Guest_Kanus_*

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 11:18 AM

smbass, I definitely want to ID the smaller Lepomis. I had already assumed that the medium one in this set was a BG, but I hope to find out the smallest 2 are WM. I want to get as many WM into my neighbor's pond as I can, now that it's teeming with FH, so being able to ID them at all sizes would be great.

The lepomis swimming up front with the warmouth doesn't look like another warmouth to me. However, it also looks as if there is too much patterning on the operculum for it to be a bluegill. I would venture to guess it may be a young pumpkinseed or redbreast.

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#10 Guest_smbass_*

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 11:29 AM

I was gonna guess dollar sunfish but that thing was tiny and only in the frame for a very short time so I'm saying that very sceptically. See if you can get either a clip of just that little guy or a series of stills of it. Pumpkinseed or redbreast would be good guesses as well but I am trying to take into account your location (southern GA right?) and that you caught it along with warmouth which like a lot of vegetation like dollar sunfish. Location would eliminate the pumpkinseed unless introduced and habitat the redbreast to an extent, they tend to like moving streams more. This is all quite a stretch though till we have something better to work with.

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#11 Guest_fish for brains_*

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 11:59 AM

Here's a thumbnail of it:

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#12 Guest_Newt_*

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 12:00 PM

It has those bluegill double-bars. Do dollars have those too? I don't think I've ever seen a little dollar.

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#13 Guest_smbass_*

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 12:06 PM

I no longer think it is a dollar either, they have bars but they are thiner and closer together. I would say it looks like a tiny redear, the bars look too broken up to be a bluegill. Pumpkinseed would also fit this but you are well outside their native range (does not always mean anything though). The third possibility still is maybe a redbreast but I'm leaning toward the other two with redear as most likey based on the location.

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#14 Guest_Kanus_*

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 12:07 PM

It has those bluegill double-bars. Do dollars have those too? I don't think I've ever seen a little dollar.

I have a small dollar from NC that has no bars whatsoever. I'm going to say bluegill.

Edit: Yeah, or redear. Good call.

Edited by Kanus, 28 February 2008 - 12:08 PM.

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#15 Guest_fish for brains_*

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 12:16 PM

Thanks. This fish wasn't caught with the WM and Shiners. Redear are plentiful in the pond this was caught from.

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#16 Guest_Irate Mormon_*

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 05:42 PM

Green sunfish. All of 'em.

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#17 Guest_Gambusia_*

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 05:42 PM

Golden Shiners are great fish, but I'm afraid that if I put them in before predators are well established that they will overpopulate. At this time I only have FH in my pond and I'd rather let them utilize the available food and space for now. The FH I stocked into my neighbor's pond last fall have exploded in number and that's the situation I want to repeat in my pond. The two larger WM that I collected yesterday went into that pond and I assume they'll do pretty well with all of that forage.

If you already have fatheads, then disregard

I believe golden shiners only spawn in vegitation anyway

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#18 Guest_fishlvr_*

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 05:56 PM

That is definitely not a redbreast. I would go for redear or maybe pseed now that I look at that picture.

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#19 Guest_choupique_*

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Posted 29 February 2008 - 01:53 AM

IRATE: be quiet, you know they are all hybrids that will die, not greens.

Seriously, besides goldens and the obvious warmouth, I seen bluegills. Even with the thumbnail and my lack of experience with redears/shellcrakcers/chinquapins whatever, they all seemed to be bluegills, aside from that lone gambusia. But for all I know that could have been a female guppy.