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Redears?

Started by Guest_fishtanker_* , May 04 2008 02:26 PM

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#1 Guest_fishtanker_*

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Posted 04 May 2008 - 02:26 PM

Here they are, caught at lee hall resevoir in Newport News Virginia. Hard to see, but both have red on the tips of the ears. Thanks for your help.

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#2 Guest_centrarchid_*

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Posted 04 May 2008 - 02:55 PM

Here they are, caught at lee hall resevoir in Newport News Virginia. Hard to see, but both have red on the tips of the ears. Thanks for your help.

Fish on left pumpkinseed. Fish on right at least part shellcracker (pumpkinseed or redear). Can't see latter well enough to differentiate.

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#3 Guest_Kanus_*

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Posted 04 May 2008 - 06:09 PM

That second picture looks like straight bluegill to me...

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#4 Guest_fishtanker_*

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Posted 04 May 2008 - 06:36 PM

It's hard to see, but the first one actually has no orange in it, some chartruese only. It just looks that way in the picture. The second one, when I caught him we was colored very differently and I thought he might be a pumpkinseed, he had a larger mouth than a bluegill of that size would, in the tank he has the blue gill rakes, but has red on his ear flap and doesn't have the black dot on the fin. Probably just 2 hybrids. I will try to take better photos.

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#5 Guest_fundulus_*

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Posted 04 May 2008 - 07:01 PM

The first fish is certainly a pumpkinseed. The second fish... (the spirits are about to speak)... a bluegill? Kinda? Or is someone getting crazy again and releasing hybrids?

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#6 Guest_smbass_*

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Posted 04 May 2008 - 10:33 PM

I think the first fish is a pumpkinseed and the second looks to be a possible hybrid, maybe a bluegill and a pumpkinseed. I really am not real sure on the second fish but I feel confident the first is a pumpkinseed.

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#7 Guest_BTDarters_*

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Posted 05 May 2008 - 01:56 AM

What the hey, I'll jump in here, too! First looks like a pumpkinseed, second looks like a bluegill (probably female?) to me.

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#8 Guest_centrarchid_*

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Posted 05 May 2008 - 08:29 AM

I am starting to waffle on what I think second fish is. Need better photograph, especially of head region. Body shape and coloration do not rule out bluegill. Very occasionally a pure bluegill will have a red-brown membrane around opercular tab that is similar to placement of intense red coloration of shellcrackers. Could we see those gill rakers?

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#9 Guest_NateTessler13_*

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Posted 05 May 2008 - 08:29 AM

If there's any red on the opercular flap of the fish on the second picture, then it's not a pure Bluegill. (Didn't see your post centrarchid), When have you come across a pure Bluegill with red-brown on its opercular flap?

Edited by NateTessler13, 05 May 2008 - 08:33 AM.

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#10 Guest_Kanus_*

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Posted 05 May 2008 - 08:43 AM

If there's any red on the opercular flap of the fish on the second picture, then it's not a pure Bluegill. (Didn't see your post centrarchid), When have you come across a pure Bluegill with red-brown on its opercular flap?

Yeah, I guess I didn't see the red there at first glance. Everything but the opercular flap still screams bluegill though.

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#11 Guest_centrarchid_*

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Posted 05 May 2008 - 09:06 AM

If there's any red on the opercular flap of the fish on the second picture, then it's not a pure Bluegill. (Didn't see your post centrarchid), When have you come across a pure Bluegill with red-brown on its opercular flap?

Red-brown coloration appears associated with regenerated tissue, not symmetrical.

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#12 Guest_fundulus_*

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Posted 05 May 2008 - 09:14 AM

I wasn't even sure that I saw any reddish coloration on the second fish's operculum. If it's there I agree with centrarchid that it's recovering damaged tissue from whatever cause.

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#13 Guest_edbihary_*

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Posted 05 May 2008 - 12:16 PM

Left/right? First/second? Are we each seeing these pics in different orders?

Larger mouth than a bluegill, you say? The one on the top (as I'm seeing them) appears to have the white trim of a green sunfish. Green sunfish also have larger mouths. Blue gill rakes, you say? Lepomis cyanellus (green sunfish) is called "cyanellus" (blue) because of the blue streaks on the operculum. Is that top one the "h"-word, being part green sunfish? Do greens hybridize with pumpkinseeds?

A closer-up view would help clear it up, but the one on the bottom looks like a pumpkinseed to me.

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#14 Guest_fishtanker_*

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Posted 05 May 2008 - 06:07 PM

Would it help if I took photos out of the water?

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#15 Guest_smbass_*

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Posted 05 May 2008 - 09:04 PM

pumpkinseeds can also have a very vivid outline to them at times and the blue streaks on the cheek, but do have a smaller mouth than greens and a distinct red spot on the opercle. The second fish I think I am noticeing some speckling on the fins, I would say just a straight bluegill but that speckling on the fins bothers me. I still say the first picture is a pure pumpkinseed.

Yes fresh pictures of anykind would be helpful, and out of the water may help if it means you can get closer up and clearer pics.