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2008 Random Illinois Fishes photos


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Posted 14 July 2008 - 08:38 AM

I recently added photos to the gallery of recent Illinois sampling trips.

Notropis chalybaeus Ironcolor Shiner
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Pomoxis nigromaculatus Black Crappie
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Percina phoxocephala Slenderhead Darter
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Percina caprodes Logperch
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Dorosoma cepedianum Gizzard Shad
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I'll add more photos as the season continues here...Illinois Fishes 2008

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 08:39 AM

Cyprinella lutrensis Red Shiner
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Aplodinotus grunniens Freshwater Drum
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Cyprinella spiloptera Spotfin Shiner
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Nocomis biguttatus Hornyhead Chub
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Lythrurus umbratilis Redfin Shiner
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Luxilus chrysocephalus Striped Shiner
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Posted 14 July 2008 - 10:41 AM

I think those red shiners are awesome!

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 11:09 AM

Uland, as always, your pictures are fabulous!

Where did you get the striped shiner? It's pretty intergrade-ish. Those dorsal scales drop farily dramatically in size and there's no coloration on the chin. Just curuious.

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 11:49 AM

Uland, as always, your pictures are fabulous!

Where did you get the striped shiner? It's pretty intergrade-ish. Those dorsal scales drop farily dramatically in size and there's no coloration on the chin. Just curuious.

Todd


Todd,

I would really like to understand (or just talk to someone about) what's going on with the striped/common shiners here. That photo was taken in a trib of the Kankakee in Kankakee county. L. cournutus are not found in the Kankakee or it's tribs. You might know that L. cornutus and L. chrysocephalus are found side by side in the tribs of the Fox River and tribs of the Illinois River West of the Fox. In one of those streams I took the photo below of what was obvious at the time L. cornutus. In those streams, the lines on their backs were plain as day to my eyes. I have very limited experience with L. cornutus though. In my experience, the local L. chrysocephalus are very plain colored when in breeding condition. Robust males will get a slight touch of pink and nothing more.

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 02:07 PM

Uland,

Smith notes the Kank as a zone of intergradation and has marked accounts of cornutus in there. I can't stand his description tho. I look to Pflieger for that in FofMO.

That time is coming up. ESA is the week of the 4th in Milwaukee and Jon and plan to hit the Kank and Tippie on the way home, probably the 8-10th. I was getting ready to send you a PM about it man! Would love to have others go along, but it's going to be unorganized until the 29th when Jon and I are finally back in the same place. So pencil in those dates, and if anything comes up, please, write in right over it.

I'll drop you a line this evening Uland.

Todd

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 02:46 PM

I would interested in knowing which Kankakee tribs L. corntutus were collected. I would also be interested in knowing what they consider intergrade.

I sampled mussels in the area yesterday and it seems we're near the 20 species mark at one site. You might wanna check it out when you're out this way.

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 03:05 PM

I looked again, it's not as many dots as I thought. There's one right on the mainstem and another in what looks like a Lake Michigan trib or part of the Calumet for cornutus. It would be interesting to see what the current distribution maps look like after the MBI Fellas went through there. With shipping channels and so forth, there may be a trend toward one or the other, that's just speculation on my part. It's really tough to say in the intergrade zones what is one, and what is another. It's actually easier to see on non-breeding individuals in my opinion, as the dorsal scales aren't all colored in, and you can see the highly defined scale margins in the striped shiner.

What you might want to do is get up into the Fox and get really strong common shiner and compare those against striped shiner from the Vermillion. Around Chicago has been too disturbed to make good comparisons, and I'd be apprehensive about defining the rules in your mind by those specimens.

I'd be glad to scan the distribution maps for you if you'd like. I think I saw them online at one time too.

Also, I hope I can talk Jon into some fun sampling instead of "work". I'd really like to do some musselin'. These rains have seriously hampered our outdoor in-stream activities so far this year. :)

Todd

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 03:29 PM

I guess you're talking about the INHS maps and yeah I have them. They have and "old" dot at the mouth of the Kank. I did see a single report of L. cornutus in Prairie Creek (1959) but that is now federal land and they will not allow any fishy photos there. I'll collect more regional photos in time which might help.

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 05:29 PM

Uland,

Smith notes the Kank as a zone of intergradation and has marked accounts of cornutus in there. I can't stand his description tho. I look to Pflieger for that in FofMO.

That time is coming up. ESA is the week of the 4th in Milwaukee and Jon and plan to hit the Kank and Tippie on the way home, probably the 8-10th. I was getting ready to send you a PM about it man! Would love to have others go along, but it's going to be unorganized until the 29th when Jon and I are finally back in the same place. So pencil in those dates, and if anything comes up, please, write in right over it.

I'll drop you a line this evening Uland.

Todd


Sorry to sound "stupid" but what is the week of the 4th in Milwaukee? I might be able to join you guys if I am educated on what is going on and if my company is wanted lol.( waukesha being a sub. of milwaukee and all).

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 05:51 PM

Not stupid at all. There's nothing fish related going on in Milwaukee, it's the annual conference for the Ecological Society of America. Big boring boo-ha. Anything that I was talking about with be southeast of Chicago and further east into Indiana.

Todd

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Posted 14 July 2008 - 06:28 PM

Does the Illinois DNR produce a nice nongame fish poster? If not, you should offer to put one together for them. These shots are beautiful.

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 11:16 AM

Beautiful! Some real winners!
Are most of these shot in natural light?. There's a few in this lot [the shad especially] that the irridecent sheen is captured perfectly. I'm guessing you used sunlight to get that effect?

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 01:50 PM

All right, I'm going to show my ignorance here. Basically how do you tell the diff between White and Black Crappie. Most of my life it was if they're white they're white if they'er black they're black. Would someone please enlighten me?....Jim

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 01:52 PM

Hey Mike, Essentially all of my photos are very near the water where they were captured and therefore all sunlight. I do take photos of captive fish but I take those photos on the front lawn. I'm not sure what the neighbors say about me when my back is turned :tongue:

The Shad and the Drum were photographed pretty close to sundown and that was just luck on my part. To be honest, I attribute most of my fish photos to luck and volume :wink:

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 02:32 PM

Hey Mike, Essentially all of my photos are very near the water where they were captured and therefore all sunlight. I do take photos of captive fish but I take those photos on the front lawn. I'm not sure what the neighbors say about me when my back is turned :tongue:

The Shad and the Drum were photographed pretty close to sundown and that was just luck on my part. To be honest, I attribute most of my fish photos to luck and volume :wink:


I've been very frustrated trying to shoot a fired up banded sunfish male for over a week now. No lighting or flash combo I use gives me a fraction of the potential color the fish shows.
Next week while my boss is on vacation I'm gonna set up a ten gallon tank in the window in my lab. It gets about an hour or so of the last light of the day. Put my divider in and put the female on one side, male on the other. That sun outghta beam right off his sides.
If that don't work, I'll be in the front yard as well. My neighbors won't find it strange, they've seen me out there photographing big snakes plenty of times. Fish would seem normal. :tongue:




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