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PA proposing to list 5 freshwater mussel species as T or E


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Posted 25 November 2008 - 10:43 AM

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 01:01 PM

Thanks for that heads up, Matt. I have wondered how current the list on the Pennsylvania Code Online is. This seems to confirm that it is up to date (as of now). I have always wondered why those mussels were classified as "fish" in the regulations. Now they are proposing to move the existing ones, and add the new ones, to a new "invertebrates" category. That makes sense.

Is there an e-mail list somewhere to get these kind of postings, or do you just have to dig somewhere? (And where?) Thanks.

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 02:54 PM

Thanks for sharing. I like how the history and biology of each species was discussed. It was very informative - Thanks.

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 02:57 PM

Thanks for posting Matt. Especially nice to see ambigua get some slack.

I'm surprised they didn't also list black sandshell and long solid.

Todd

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 03:01 PM

I recieved it off an email list. It is a bit hard to get on actually (generally limited to professionals, students, and feds), which is why I post pertinent things here. I would imagine this should/has to be published as a public notice from the state, it just may have not made it up to the web yet. Your multiplicative agencies confuse me Ed :mrgreen: , but the Fish and Boat website may be the place to look for further updates since this is where it came from. I think the Simpsonaia thing is one of those everyone knows it's really rare but they are so hard to detect it can't be backed up without TONS of effort. I've never encountered more than a few recta at a time or any Ligumia for that matter even in really great beds so I'm not sure how much of that rarity is natural or true.

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 05:46 PM

Just tooting my own horn.

The Pennsylvania paper mentions Smith and Crabtree 2005.

I volunteered for Tamara Smith during the summer of 2004. We had a rainy period in July, and two hurricanes dump 8 plus inches each on us, but when the water was lower, we were doing quantitative mussel surveys, until the end of October in French Creek. The team never found salamander mussels, even with extra searching in likely locations. I saw many rabbitsfoot, rayed bean, and snuffbox mussels. No sheepnose mussels.

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 07:53 PM

I remember that field season, or lack there of, very well. Actually I was in Frech Creek the last week of October 2004, at the Meadville bridge. Where abouts were you Phil? A decent amount of fabilis, cylindrica, some triquetra, but no ambigua either. Hmmm I've got some picture somewhere. I found a fresh dead in IN during 2003. Big ole piece of slab was in my quadrat, I flipped it (thank God it was underwater), and sure enough it ended up in the bag.

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 11:13 AM

I remember that field season, or lack there of, very well. Actually I was in Frech Creek the last week of October 2004, at the Meadville bridge. Where abouts were you Phil? A decent amount of fabilis, cylindrica, some triquetra, but no ambigua either. Hmmm I've got some picture somewhere. I found a fresh dead in IN during 2003. Big ole piece of slab was in my quadrat, I flipped it (thank God it was underwater), and sure enough it ended up in the bag.


We had 16 sites. I worked on sites from upstream of the Union City dam all the way down to Utica, PA. French Creek is amazing. Yes, there is some run-off from farms. One site had cobble, softball size rocks, resting on cobble, on a third layer of cobble, before getting to the sandy surface of the river bottom. That is a lot of surface area for habitat. Sediment load can't be very high for the space between the rock to remain clear.

And I saw some great fish. Including a trout perch.

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Posted 26 November 2008 - 11:37 AM

Ah okay, a lightbulb just went off as to why Tamra Smith sounded familar. She gave a presentation at last years AMAAB meeting.




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