http://maps.google.c...e...=1&ct=image
this valley was dammed up in the 1969-70 and stocked
the head waters come from a spring/swamp and wetland area that is wet all year.
i have never see fish in the creek
but most of my time on this land is spent deer hunting.
beavers run the creek.in the fall lake water is let way down.
i mentioned this spot to some one here last year they suggested to run a seine up the creek.
as far as i know no one has been in the creek for a test sample for some 35 years.
i would be interested looking at some data of fishes from the area back then
compared to a sample of the creek from my next visit.
mead paper co. just logged most of there pine crop last year
i fear silt runoff will change the creek this year.
Next trip will be here, see google map
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Posted 26 February 2009 - 11:25 AM
There should be plenty of recent fish records and maybe some from 10 years before in the Paint Creek drainage and Scioto watershed between the universities records and Ohio EPA. As for Mead, they've been logging down that way for decades, the silt has likely affected the fish community just as long.
Some really beautiful areas down there, wish I had been down there more often. Good luck.
Some really beautiful areas down there, wish I had been down there more often. Good luck.
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Posted 26 February 2009 - 12:12 PM
There should be plenty of recent fish records and maybe some from 10 years before in the Paint Creek drainage and Scioto watershed between the universities records and Ohio EPA. As for Mead, they've been logging down that way for decades, the silt has likely affected the fish community just as long.
Some really beautiful areas down there, wish I had been down there more often. Good luck.
ashtonmj, thank you for the tip were to find this info.
after a short time of reading just the tip of this kind of info i can see i am way over my head
there is generations of lifetime studies.i will just have to be happy with what i find.little silver fishes.
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Posted 26 February 2009 - 01:13 PM
If you found some of those reports I wouldn't be too overwhelmed. What is important for you would be narrative results and the appendicies that list fish collected and where they sampled. The rest is gibberish and technical jargon. Years ago I printed out as many as the appendicies as I could so I had my own catalouge of species lists on hand when I went in the drainage.
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Posted 26 February 2009 - 01:46 PM
The segment from Bainbridge to the pulp plant in Chilli is one my favorite streches of river in Ohio. It's quite rich in species and abundances are high (perfect storm of enrichment without too much of it). I think the dams have helped maintain the water quality and hydrologic integrity. I hope to break Trautman's one day one man record there this year, Cavender has been pushing me to do it for awhile. A couple sites there come to mind and it can reasonably be done in a very small length of stream. Get a mark set, and then see if Zimmerman can beat it 
Cavender did a full survey a few years ago (maybe 10?). I have the results, but it's in paper format. If you're interested in summary tables, I might be able to scan some of them.
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Cavender did a full survey a few years ago (maybe 10?). I have the results, but it's in paper format. If you're interested in summary tables, I might be able to scan some of them.
Todd
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Posted 26 February 2009 - 04:54 PM
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Cavender did a full survey a few years ago (maybe 10?). I have the results, but it's in paper format. If you're interested in summary tables, I might be able to scan some of them.
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Is this the paper?
Title: Survey and Analysis of the Scioto Brush Creek Drainage Fish Fauna of Southern Ohio
Creators: Cavender, Ted M.
Rice, Daniel L.
https://kb.osu.edu/d...ndle/1811/23752
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Posted 26 February 2009 - 10:54 PM
That's on Scioto Brush Creek, although that would be an interesting read as well.
I looked on their search and couldn't find the Paint Creek paper, although I'm now quite interested to look for longnose dace in the Flushing Escarpment streams
Todd
I looked on their search and couldn't find the Paint Creek paper, although I'm now quite interested to look for longnose dace in the Flushing Escarpment streams
Todd
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Posted 28 February 2009 - 03:45 PM
I was over there on the Easter edge of the state for a weekend last spring and had no trouble at all finding Longnose dace. Just find a high gradient direct trib to the Ohio and they likely will be there. I'm convinced they are probably found in more locations than are documented over in that area. I also found them in a trib to yellow creek down near the mouth where it is flat water. Only had to walk about a hundred yards or so upstream a tiny trib and there they were in the first riffle.
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Posted 28 February 2009 - 05:31 PM
28 species at the Rt 50 bridge on Paint Creek.
Erika and I did 27 in one hour while screwing around taking pictures at the tail end of the gorge.
I have to wonder what that new riffle and run series in Der Darby around the bend from Trautman's Riffle (now Run) has to it. I had 18 species just in the riffley part doing one of my standard samples where I just shot straight up the creek (no multiple shots across horizontal, just longitudinal intervals every 5 meters). I think it was 8 seine hauls in a 30 meter segment lol. And there's weird stuff there like blacknose dace and sculpins along with a good shot at juvie flatheads and then the other madtoms you won't find in Paint Creek. I didn't even get into the good Notropis or Centrarchid habitat which is slightly downstream. With its proximity to the Scioto, I bet there's juvie Ictobius and drum in there too.
Hmmm... I think we have a new kind of 100 meter dash in store lol.
Have you found longnose dace up in Beaver Creek? Or is it too warm for them in the lower sections? That's really cool stuff. Be neat to compare thier genes against the Chagrin dace.
Todd
Erika and I did 27 in one hour while screwing around taking pictures at the tail end of the gorge.
I have to wonder what that new riffle and run series in Der Darby around the bend from Trautman's Riffle (now Run) has to it. I had 18 species just in the riffley part doing one of my standard samples where I just shot straight up the creek (no multiple shots across horizontal, just longitudinal intervals every 5 meters). I think it was 8 seine hauls in a 30 meter segment lol. And there's weird stuff there like blacknose dace and sculpins along with a good shot at juvie flatheads and then the other madtoms you won't find in Paint Creek. I didn't even get into the good Notropis or Centrarchid habitat which is slightly downstream. With its proximity to the Scioto, I bet there's juvie Ictobius and drum in there too.
Hmmm... I think we have a new kind of 100 meter dash in store lol.
Have you found longnose dace up in Beaver Creek? Or is it too warm for them in the lower sections? That's really cool stuff. Be neat to compare thier genes against the Chagrin dace.
Todd
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