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Recent SC trips

Started by Guest_dsmith73_* , Dec 31 2006 01:12 PM

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#1 Guest_dsmith73_*

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Posted 31 December 2006 - 01:12 PM

We finally got back out again recently and hit two of our favorite areas. Here is a list of fish from each day:

12/15 Edisto and Congaree River Drainages in west central SC.

Fundulus lineolatus, lined topminnow
Gambusia holbrooki, eastern mosquitofish
Aphredoderus sayanus, pirate perch
Pteronotropis stonei, lowland shiner
Notropis lutipinnis, yellowfin shiner
Erimyzon oblongus, creek chubsucker
Labidesthes sicculus, brook silverside
Lepomis marginatus, dollar sunfish
L. punctatus, spotted sunfish
L. macrochirus, bluegill
L. microlophus, redear sunfish
L. gulosus, warmouth
Enneacanthus gloriosus, bluespotted sunfish
E. chaetodon, blackbanded sunfish
Elassoma evergladei, everglades pygmy sunfish
E. zonatum, banded pygmy sunfish
Ameiurus natalis, yellow bullhead
A. brunneus, snail bullhead
Noturus gyrinus, tadpole madtom
N. leptacanthus, speckled madtom
N. insignis, margined madtom
Etheostoma fusiforme, swamp darter
E. fricksium, savannah darter
E. serrifer, sawcheek darter
E. olmstedi, tesselated darter
E. thallasinum, seagreen darter
E. inscriptum, turquoise darter
Percina nigrofasciata, blackbanded darter
Esox americanus, redfin pickerel

12/30 Edisto, Santee and Cooper River drainages from Columbia to Charleston:

Fundulus chrysotus, golden topminnow
F. confluentus, marsh killifish
F. heteroclitus, mummichog
Lucania goodei, bluefin killifish
L. parva, rainwater killifish
Cyprinodon variegatus, sheepshead minnow
Poecilia latipinna, sailfin molly
Heterandria formosa, least killifish
Gambusia holbrooki, eastern mosquitofish
Aphredoderus sayanus, pirate perch
Pteronotropis stonei, lowland shiner
Notropis lutipinnis, yellowfin shiner
N. cummingsae, dusky shiner
Erimyzon oblongus, creek chubsucker
Nocomis leptacephalus, bluehead chub
Lepomis punctatus, spotted sunfish
L. macrochirus, bluegill
L. gibbosus, pumpkinseed
Enneacanthus gloriosus, bluespotted sunfish
Elassoma zonatum, banded pygmy sunfish
Ameiurus brunneus, snail bullhead
Noturus leptacanthus, speckled madtom
Etheostoma fricksium, savannah darter
E. olmstedi, tesselated darter
Percina nigrofasciata, blackbanded darter
Esox americanus, redfin pickerel
Anguilla rostrata, american eel

I am sure there are some I forgot as well that Chip may be able to fill in.

#2 Guest_teleost_*

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Posted 31 December 2006 - 02:55 PM

Thats a very impressive list as usual dsmith73.

If you don't mind me asking, what kind of conditions do you find Noturus leptacanthus & insignis in?

We finally got back out again recently and hit two of our favorite areas.

I can see why these are two of your favorite areas. I still can't get over the variety.

#3 Guest_dsmith73_*

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Posted 31 December 2006 - 05:50 PM

Thats a very impressive list as usual dsmith73.

If you don't mind me asking, what kind of conditions do you find Noturus leptacanthus & insignis in?

The leptacanthus are almost always found in the same habitat. They hang out in tannin-stained creeks in either the eel grass beds or in the flowing edge vegetation. Insignis are most often found in clear piedmont streams amongst the rocks and debris.

#4 Guest_ipchay61_*

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Posted 01 January 2007 - 07:47 AM

Looks like the list is pretty complete. Only thing I can really add is that the weather was about as perfect as you could ask for. We found lots of Bluefin killies, which was the main target for the 12/30 trip. Going to setup a 100 gal stock tank to breed them. I was able to find some Cabomba to bring back for my ponds.

Dustin, wasn't one of those streams on the 12/15 trip a Savannah River drainage stream? I brought back a few Brook Silversides from the 12/15 trip and put them in one of my ponds and as of tody (1/01/07) they are still alive.

#5 Guest_dsmith73_*

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Posted 03 January 2007 - 04:49 PM

Dustin, wasn't one of those streams on the 12/15 trip a Savannah River drainage stream? I brought back a few Brook Silversides from the 12/15 trip and put them in one of my ponds and as of tody (1/01/07) they are still alive.

You are correct there Chip. Thanks for pointing that out.

#6 Guest_Mysteryman_*

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 05:14 AM

Great stuff!
I have to get up there one of these days fer shure.

I might actually be able to attend the convention this year in NC, so maybe I can swing through SC on my way back?

#7 Guest_dsmith73_*

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 07:33 AM

Great stuff!
I have to get up there one of these days fer shure.

I might actually be able to attend the convention this year in NC, so maybe I can swing through SC on my way back?

You're welcome any time Trey.

#8 Guest_nativecajun_*

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 05:35 PM

I know I should probably learn the scientific names but if you could include the common name beside it that may help. These list mean nothing to me unless I copy and paste to google or something and find out what they are. I have been a fishy person for some time but never had the need to know the scientific names.

Thanks, Daniel

#9 Guest_drewish_*

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 05:44 PM

I know I should probably learn the scientific names but if you could include the common name beside it that may help. These list mean nothing to me unless I copy and paste to google or something and find out what they are. I have been a fishy person for some time but never had the need to know the scientific names.

Thanks, Daniel

As observed in another thread, common names aren't all that useful. A lot of species share a common name. If you take the time to look each one of them up, you'll start picking them up pretty quickly.

Checklist of NA Native Fishes

That link has common and scientific names.

#10 Guest_edbihary_*

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 06:03 PM

I know this may sound silly, but there are common common names and unique common names. As we noted before, spotted sunfish and warmouth, among others, are known by the common name of stumpknocker. So stumpknocker is a common common name. But only one fish (correct me if I'm wrong) is known as a warmouth, and only one fish is known as a spotted sunfish. Those are unique common names.

I tend to agree with Daniel, that the common names are much less confusing to me, if the unique common names are used. Or use them together, like so:

Warmouth (Lepomis Gulosis)
Spotted Sunfish (Lepomis Punctatus)

The use of the unique common name makes it easily recognizable, and the Latin makes sure there is no doubt. But really, if you write warmouth without the Latin name, is anybody going to be confused? I don't think so. But if you just write L. Gulosis, people will find themselves looking it up, or giving up and moving on. Some people, anyway. I know I scanned that list and thought "a lot of variety" without looking anything up. I just moved on.

#11 Guest_hmt321_*

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 06:49 PM

most of the latin names mean very little to me, I to skim over them, I do recognize most of the lepomis species (big suprise, they interest me)

#12 Guest_dsmith73_*

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Posted 17 January 2007 - 07:16 PM

I apologize for the oversight. I do prefer to list things under their latin names because it is much more specific and not open to any confusion, but I do see the need for the common name as well. As Ed stated, there is a list of accepted common names which are accepted by AFS. These names, if not misconstrued, should be as specific as the scientific names. Unfortunately, not everyone is familiar with these specific names either. I will make an effort to list both sets of nomenclature in the future when referring to a species of fish. I want everyone to be able to participate and I know that it took me some time to become familiar with all the sci names as well.

#13 Guest_edbihary_*

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 12:42 AM

...there is a list of accepted common names which are accepted by AFS.

I don't suppose you know where we can find this list? Thanks.

#14 Guest_drewish_*

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 12:52 AM

I don't suppose you know where we can find this list? Thanks.

Common and Scientific Names of Fishes from the United States Canada and Mexico Sixth Edition

Here is something else I found interesting :

http://web.fisheries...p...&Itemid=133

#15 Guest_dsmith73_*

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Posted 18 January 2007 - 01:09 AM

Common and Scientific Names of Fishes from the United States Canada and Mexico Sixth Edition

Here is something else I found interesting :

http://web.fisheries...p...&Itemid=133

That's it.

#16 Guest_rnbwdarter_*

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Posted 26 January 2007 - 08:53 PM

Chip & Dustin
I just moved back north from FL to the wonderful city of Greenville, SC. Next time you guys plan to go out, I'd like to come along. I don't know of any good spots in the area, but I'm sure with all the water around here there are a few.
I agree that both common and latin names should be used if possible. I took Ich class but never was good at remembering the names for all the fish. (or IDing those pesky preserved minnows :-)

) I do find common names easier to use - although less accurate.

Traci

#17 Guest_ipchay61_*

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 10:46 AM

Chip & Dustin
I just moved back north from FL to the wonderful city of Greenville, SC. Next time you guys plan to go out, I'd like to come along. I don't know of any good spots in the area, but I'm sure with all the water around here there are a few.
I agree that both common and latin names should be used if possible. I took Ich class but never was good at remembering the names for all the fish. (or IDing those pesky preserved minnows ) I do find common names easier to use - although less accurate.

Traci

Hey Traci! Been a long time!

Pic of Traci swimming with the gators at the 2004 NANFA Convention
http://www.nanfa.org...snorkeling.html

Pic of me (Chip) pointing to where the gators are and saying "Uh uh, I'm not going over there"
http://www.nanfa.org...303/KSchip2.jpg